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		<title>A Disappointing Veto, but the Right Fiscal Direction</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The other day, Governor Mike Kehoe issued vetoes on some appropriations passed by the legislature and withheld spending on other measures. One of the items vetoed was $2 million for [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day, Governor Mike Kehoe <a href="https://missouriindependent.com/2026/06/30/gov-mike-kehoe-vetoes-restricts-nearly-500-million-from-missouri-state-budget/">issued vetoes on some appropriations</a> passed by the legislature and withheld spending on other measures.</p>
<p>One of the items vetoed was $2 million for Missouri&#8217;s Violent Crime Clearance Grant Program. That was a disappointment. I&#8217;ve <a href="https://missouriindependent.com/2026/03/11/in-missouri-crime-debate-certainty-of-punishment-matters-more-than-severity/">written previously</a> about why improving violent crime clearance rates is one of the smartest public safety investments Missouri can make.</p>
<p>Even so, I understand why it was vetoed. Missouri cannot continue expanding government..</p>
<p>Spending restraint means worthwhile programs will sometimes be cut. The question isn&#8217;t whether every veto was perfect. No governor gets every decision right. The question is whether Missouri is finally willing to reverse a spending trajectory that accelerated during the years of extraordinary federal COVID aid and continued even after those dollars disappeared.</p>
<p>I hope lawmakers and the governor revisit the Violent Crime Clearance Grant Program when Missouri&#8217;s finances allow. Public safety is government&#8217;s first responsibility, and I continue to believe this is a high-return investment.</p>
<p>But spending restraint only works if programs with genuine merit are still subject to scrutiny. If every worthwhile program receives an exemption, then spending never declines. The test of fiscal reform is whether Missouri begins living within its means and creates the conditions necessary to reduce the tax burden on its citizens over the long term.</p>
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		<title>The Case for an Education Outsider in Missouri with Andy Smarick</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with Andy Smarick, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, about Missouri&#8217;s education leadership shake-up and what comes next. They discuss how to find the right commissioner of [&#8230;]</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with <a href="https://manhattan.institute/person/andy-smarick" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Andy Smarick, senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute</a>, about Missouri&#8217;s education leadership shake-up and what comes next. They discuss how to find the right commissioner of education, why outside reformers tend to succeed where insiders struggle, what the dismantling of the US Department of Education means for state accountability systems, why public complacency about poor academic outcomes persists, and more.</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Episode Transcript</strong></span></p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:00):</strong><br />
Thank you so much, Andy Smarick, for joining once again on the Show-Me Institute Podcast. We love having you on and I appreciate you taking the time. You&#8217;re a busy man, so it&#8217;s really wonderful to have you back.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (00:06):</strong><br />
I love being here. It&#8217;s a treat. Thank you for having me. I always like talking to you, but also anytime I get to talk about state-level education policy, it&#8217;s a treat.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:19):</strong><br />
Well, I know that you have experience serving on a couple of state boards, both K-12 and higher ed. Just to bring you up to speed on what&#8217;s happening in Missouri: we have a relatively new governor, about a year in, and we had a state board of education where people stayed in expired seats, rubber-stamped decisions, and were very complacent, I feel comfortable saying. Our governor shook up that group and appointed new people who came in and said, what do you mean we don&#8217;t have bylaws? It was like, this is bananas. At the same time, the governor issued an executive order requiring letter grades on schools and districts, new school report cards. I don&#8217;t know exactly how everything went down, but our Commissioner of Education resigned, our Deputy Commissioner resigned, and our president of the state board of education resigned, all in about one week. So we are now straightening things out and there is a new board president. But this new, relatively new board now has the task of finding a commissioner. The way things have happened in Missouri is we always get a new commissioner from the ranks of the state education agency, maybe from the legislature, always from Missouri. Just a real this-is-how-we&#8217;ve-done-it mentality. And we have not been big reformers. No Chiefs for Change in Missouri. Like a lot of states, our reading scores for young kids are tanking, forty percent below basic for third and fourth graders. We have a state accountability system called the Missouri School Improvement Plan in which 516 of our 520 districts are fully accredited and about four are provisionally accredited, none unaccredited. So we have this meaningless accountability system where every district is fully accredited, even St. Louis, which I can&#8217;t even go into. So here we are, and I want to know a few things from you. Number one, if you were on the Board of Education in Missouri, how would you go about finding a new commissioner? What would you look for? And then later I want to get into what&#8217;s happening at the national level. We are not doing well academically, we have never had a bold reformer in charge, we keep doing the same thing and getting the same result. What would you do if you were in their spot?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (02:59):</strong><br />
So in education, I&#8217;m going to wind up to this answer, so just bear with me for a second. Conservative can mean two different things. One is the traditional conservative view, which is to preserve, to stand athwart big, swift, dramatic, perpetual change. You&#8217;re trying to keep things the way they are because there&#8217;s a lot of wisdom that has gone into it and people are accustomed to it. In education, there&#8217;s also this other right-of-center conservative view, which is we have to be much more open to choice, competition, accountability metrics, and so on. And it seems that Missouri has been one of those very red states that has tended to believe in the first kind of conservatism: protect our traditional school districts, protect the hierarchies we have, protect the tradition of you grow up as a professional, as a teacher, then a superintendent, then maybe go to the state education agency. A lot of people believe that&#8217;s the way to do it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal">There probably is an ethic among a lot of people to keep it that way. The only way you get out of that is if there&#8217;s a recognition among leadership that we can&#8217;t continue to preserve the status quo, that we have to change some things. That is a big step for a place that has elevated the idea of preserving for a very long time. If they get to that step, then they have to do the very tough things, which is start to pull out the Jenga pieces of that conservatism. The most important one is having board leadership and having a state superintendent who come from outside the state, and then having a board chair or board president who is not going to just do what the staff of the state education agency says or what the district superintendents say. We saw this work quite well about fifteen or twenty years ago. There was a big movement nationwide in educational reform led at the state level, and a number of states chose out-of-state superintendents and commissioners of education who did a terrific job of shaking things up and advancing a bunch of important proposals. The downside is a lot of them were so brash and so young, and I have to say so cocky, that they made unnecessary waves and kicked a lot of people in the shins in the states where they landed. So my view is a place like Missouri should pick someone from out of state for a state chief, someone with a long track record of success, but someone who isn&#8217;t so green as to think he or she knows everything. Someone with enough humility and enough time on task to know what they don&#8217;t know, and who can come in and be bold enough to make some changes, but not think that everyone in the state is a dummy who needs to be ignored. That&#8217;s how I would think about it. And if you have a board chair and board membership who get all of this, it makes things a whole lot easier. But that might be the hardest part of all. Who is your board president? Who are the board majority going to be? They have to be the ones with the backbone.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (05:57):</strong><br />
Yeah. I feel like we&#8217;ve had people come in and say, well, I&#8217;m only the commissioner, it&#8217;s not my fault that the kids don&#8217;t read. And then people say, well, we&#8217;re a local control state, so it&#8217;s really the local guys&#8217; fault that the kids can&#8217;t read. Then the legislators are like, well, who&#8217;s supposed to be making sure the kids can read? And technically, kind of they are, but them plus the board, and there&#8217;s just fingers pointing every different direction with nobody really taking responsibility. If we had the capacity for hard things, we would not have all of our districts be fully accredited. There&#8217;s even pushback on the letter grade idea because folks will say, well, then the teachers in those F schools feel bad and the parents feel bad and the kids who go there feel bad. I&#8217;ve seen some states change it to colors or something where nobody feels bad. I&#8217;ve also heard folks say it&#8217;s racist because a lot of the D and F schools enroll large percentages of students of color. So there are just all of these reasons to resist. It&#8217;s going to happen because there&#8217;s an executive order, but I feel like we&#8217;re going to have a hard time finding somebody who&#8217;s willing to do those things.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (07:17):</strong><br />
Well, your state, like every other state, has a state constitution that makes the state ultimately responsible for education. Your state, like others, has both tradition and some laws that give a number of powers to local districts. The weird thing, and I&#8217;ve seen this in a lot of different states, is the state government ends up in a very weird position. The state can get sued and state leaders can get criticized if kids aren&#8217;t learning, because the state actually has constitutional authority to make sure kids are learning. But as a matter of practice, and often of state statutes, a lot of this power is delegated to districts. States then try to recapture some of that power through the accreditation system. It&#8217;s the way the state can say, okay, districts, you have the power to do these things, but we&#8217;re going to hold you accountable for results and we&#8217;re going to accredit you or not. And then it turns out it&#8217;s virtually impossible to take away the accreditation of these districts because of legislative pushback, and the state typically doesn&#8217;t have the capacity to run a district if it does take away accreditation. It just becomes a complete hot mess. That&#8217;s why you need state leadership who has some experience but also some backbone to say, this is how we&#8217;re going to thread the needle of state authority, state responsibility, local control, and still making sure that kids learn. This is not easy, other states have gone through it, but it isn&#8217;t the kind of thing that someone who has lived in Missouri all their life and grown up professionally there can do easily. It&#8217;s going to be hard for that person to get out of that box. Having someone from the outside who can start to do some bold things, including hiring smart, tough lawyers, having board leadership who&#8217;s going to stick by it. But I just want to emphasize this point: every state I ever talk to begins by saying, well, you know, we&#8217;re a local control state, our districts have all the power. Everybody says that. Go back to your state constitution. The state is the one that&#8217;s going to be responsible. And if the state has the backbone, it can do a whole lot. But whether it has the backbone is the operative phrase.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (09:41):</strong><br />
Yeah. So about seven years ago we developed our own school report cards with letter grades, called MOSchoolRankings. I&#8217;ll just plug it. It was with GPAs, and this year for the first time I just took the GPAs and converted them to letter grades because folks found GPAs tricky. I put up the methodology. I took all the data from our state education agency, DESE, and just tried to make it a map you can zoom in and out on, easier to navigate. And my thinking is you have to do these things, make sure you say how you do it, and then people can argue with you and debate whether it&#8217;s right or wrong or good or bad. And many people have. A lot of people don&#8217;t like that the average is a C. I&#8217;m open to discussing why the average should be anything other than a C, but you have to at some point just make the move and then be confident enough in what you did that you can defend it and change it if people point out flaws. But this is where I think we struggle at DESE. They struggle to just put that out there because they worry about every negative outcome and consequence. And it&#8217;s like, yeah, but at some point to not do it is worse than to do it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (11:10):</strong><br />
For sure. And I&#8217;ve gotten to the point of realizing that if you have been in a system at different ranks for thirty or thirty-five years, all of your friends, your reputation, your pension, your income, everything about your identity is wrapped up with that system. Expecting these folks to suddenly turn the corner and say, you know, we&#8217;ve messed up, tens of thousands of kids are not learning right now today in classrooms, and we have to start holding the adults accountable for that, including teachers and principals and local school board members and local superintendents, and we have to be courageous about it. That&#8217;s asking a lot of people who are of, by, and for the system. It can be a whole lot easier if you just get someone from the outside with the courage to do it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (11:54):</strong><br />
Yeah. So can you think of an example of a state that has done this well?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (12:02):</strong><br />
Definitely during the late No Child Left Behind era and then the Race to the Top era, a number of states found people from outside. Tennessee was famous for this. Arne Duncan ended up going to a couple of different places, including Rhode Island. New Jersey ended up picking Chris Cerf. There was a movement where probably ten or fifteen states did this quite well. My state, Maryland, brought in the superintendent of Mississippi after Mississippi had had so many gains, so she could carry some of those especially reading reforms to our state. This is not uncommon. Texas did something like this for a while. Louisiana became very famous during the John White era for doing this. But in all of these cases it began often with a governor, and then some members of a state legislature who said, we just can&#8217;t keep doing things the way we&#8217;ve done in the past. We have to do things differently. Once the governor says something like that, he or she can appoint people to the Board of Education who will do things differently, and the legislature, at least his or her party, will start to fall in line, and the media then starts to understand how serious it is. It is hard to do this without the governor leaning forward and giving the blessing to the bureaucracy to do things differently. So the question for you is, is your governor going to spend any political capital on this and say things are messed up and we have to do things differently?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (13:29):</strong><br />
I don&#8217;t know. I hope so. But I haven&#8217;t seen evidence of that. I suspect, though I could be wrong, that they&#8217;re looking more internally than externally. However, I just want to add one wrinkle to this context that we&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about at the Show-Me Institute. If you&#8217;re following the US Department of Education, I believe you used to work there. Is that right?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (13:54):</strong><br />
Yes, back in the day.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (13:55):</strong><br />
Last week they moved the Office of Special Education over to the Department of Health and Human Services. They moved the Office of Civil Rights over to the Department of Justice. The building where the Department of Education used to be is now vacated. All those people are over at an old Department of Energy building. It&#8217;s a significantly reduced staff. Without touching the Every Student Succeeds Act, they are effectively dismantling most of the structure over there, at a time when the current president said that sending education back to the states was one of his priorities. I&#8217;m particularly concerned that at a time when Missouri has this vacuum, we could be looking at the apron strings being cut, states being told to sink or swim from the federal perspective. You don&#8217;t have to maintain the accountability systems. The Secretary is encouraging states to submit requests to waive parts of the law. I don&#8217;t really know exactly where it&#8217;s headed, but that concerns me. Do you think they&#8217;re going to let off the gas on mandated accountability systems in exchange for flexibility?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (15:15):</strong><br />
Such a good question. To begin with just some editorializing: it is astonishing that Congress has allowed this to happen. In general I&#8217;m a big fan of decentralizing education power to the states, but that they&#8217;ve been able to administratively dismantle a department without Congress doing anything about it is just shocking to me. Even members of the Republican Party twenty years ago, let alone forty or sixty years ago, who jealously guarded the prerogatives of the legislative branch to create departments and fund departments, would have been appalled at this. There would have been unanimous consent to stop this from happening. So that says a lot that Congress has just sort of excused itself from the discussion. It has been remarkable the extent to which that building where we used to work, and the thousands of people there, is just empty, and they are handing off all the tasks to other places. I don&#8217;t know how this is legal, but I guess they&#8217;re figuring out a way to do it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal">Now, the people who are leading this from inside genuinely believe that education will be better off if Uncle Sam isn&#8217;t meddling in it so much. That requires a theory of action, or at least a theory, that the reason why things are bad is that Uncle Sam is causing them to be bad, as though if Uncle Sam backs up there&#8217;s going to be a sunnier future ahead. Or it requires believing that it is just morally wrong for Uncle Sam to get involved, and whether states sink or swim after he gets out, that&#8217;s up to them. That&#8217;s a theory, it&#8217;s an ideological approach, and they have the right to pursue it. Donald Trump was elected and he gets to hire who he wants to. But then, to your point, it starts to implicate the Every Student Succeeds Act, which still requires the federal government to do some things related to state accountability systems. And if you believe you have the power administratively to undo a cabinet department, I suspect you probably believe you have the power to ignore some federal accountability provisions and just allow states to do what they want. So we&#8217;re going to be left in this position of saying, all right, the federal government is getting out of the business of accountability, therefore the states need to do it well. And then anyone who cares about kids learning will ask, okay, are states going to do this well? And so I turn to you as a state leader. Is Missouri going to</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (17:23):</strong><br />
Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (17:47):</strong><br />
kick butt and take names?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (17:48):</strong><br />
I&#8217;m concerned. I mean, No Child Left Behind was difficult and a lot of people didn&#8217;t like it, but test scores went up. Strict accountability, test scores went up. As we backed off, the Race to the Top era with waivers, and then Every Student Succeeds, which allowed more waivers, states were able to lower a lot of bars. Some states raised bars, like you mentioned, Mississippi and Louisiana. Some states are doing a great job, especially with early literacy. Others are not. And so Missouri, I think of it like this: you have a college student and you&#8217;re paying all their bills. You&#8217;re writing the checks, ordering their textbooks, doing all that work. Then one day you say, you know what, instead of that, I&#8217;m going to give you $3,000 a month: you pay your rent, your utilities, get your own books. There are going to be kids who step up and do fine. And there are going to be a lot of kids who take that $3,000 and immediately go to Cancun. We know this. It kind of depends on what you&#8217;ve done with the kids so far. And I feel like we have lulled the states into a feeling of compliance. If we just tell you how we spend our Title I dollars, fill out this form, and report that our test scores keep going down, no one cares. There&#8217;s no stick. They don&#8217;t withhold the money. We just say our test scores this year are lower than last year, and they say, good to know, here&#8217;s your</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (19:14):</strong><br />
Yep.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (19:22):</strong><br />
check. So if that&#8217;s how you were raising your kids so far, why would you expect them to step up and become suddenly responsible?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (19:31):</strong><br />
Okay, I have to admit that I have learned a hard lesson in my years doing education policy, which is that I was wrong that the political system of its own volition will always push for big action to make sure schools are great. I believed that if we had accountability systems showing that schools were underperforming, there would be a perpetual energy within the public to say we have to fix this, that it was just a matter of making the knowledge available and then everything else would take care of itself. It turns out it just doesn&#8217;t work that way. You need leaders at the top to constantly push and say, we are not doing well enough, we have to do dramatic things to make sure kids are going to be better off. Otherwise, No Child Left Behind is in place for a while and then people get sick of it. Or you have some interesting testing regimes and then there&#8217;s pushback to that, or just resistance to Uncle Sam in general. And people like the two of us say, but kids aren&#8217;t learning anything anymore. We are seeing a cratering of student learning since the peak of No Child Left Behind&#8217;s learning gains. This is horrible. Kids just aren&#8217;t learning anymore. The Andy of twenty years ago would have assumed the nation would revolt and say, how dare we do this to our schools and our kids, we have to do something differently. Instead, I don&#8217;t want to say it&#8217;s crickets, but there has not been a major wave of energy to change things again. The only way to do this is for governors or presidents to say this is not good enough and keep pushing. It is the ultimate dog that didn&#8217;t bark. The story is why something isn&#8217;t happening. If things are so bad in student learning, why is there not a dramatic energy within the public to do things differently? So maybe I look to you. In Missouri, are people just satisfied? Do they just not want the hassle?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (21:28):</strong><br />
Why do you think? Yeah, they are like, we love our schools. All the time: we love our schools. We love, love, love our rural schools. It&#8217;s hard, kids show up with a lot of baggage, it&#8217;s just hard. But we love our schools. God forbid we have tiny districts getting below fifty kids. We love it. There isn&#8217;t an appetite to say, well, thirty-some percent of our rural high schools don&#8217;t offer calculus, and we don&#8217;t think we need it. It&#8217;s like, well, those kids are going to join a world where a lot of other kids had access to these things. It&#8217;s just, I don&#8217;t know the word. Complacency for sure. And it gets exhausting to continue to talk about it because it feels like</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (22:20):</strong><br />
Yeah. So this is why it can feel that way. And listen, if I were a state superintendent, based on the things I have learned, I would always begin a big reform movement by saying, first, all of the things you just said, but sincerely, because I believe this. I would say I love our public schools. I know how much they do for kids. I know that we love our teachers. I know that these schools are part of the community. I know that they help shape young people in ways beyond reading and math scores. I know that we love to go to these sports events. I know that we love to go to our fifth-grade graduation. This is an important strand in the fabric of our community. We love these schools, we love our teachers, we need to protect them, and we have to do better. What I found in that previous movement of big, dramatic out-of-state actors who came in and took over is they were awesome at the we-have-to-do-better part and absolutely lousy at the we-love-the-schools-and-teachers part. And that just caused a lot of anger. It was toxic in the long run. It is so important to a state to hear the we-love-our-schools message. That&#8217;s why they end up picking leaders, board presidents and superintendents who are of the system, who sincerely love their schools and say that. But they&#8217;re bad at the second part: we have to do things differently. The key to leadership right now is finding someone who can say both. We love these schools. We love public education in our communities. But Lord, our kids deserve a whole lot better than this. We have to do some things differently. That&#8217;s a rare leader.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (24:00):</strong><br />
Yeah. Well, I think that&#8217;s a great place to end, because what else can you say? That&#8217;s awesome. That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re looking at. We&#8217;re going to find out soon, and not just Missouri. Many states have the same problems. I would love to have you come back again, Andy. We love having you.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (24:16):</strong><br />
I love getting emails from you or Zach asking me to come on. I&#8217;m happy to give my bad opinions on anything.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (24:23):</strong><br />
No, you have such a good, crystallized view of these things, and your experience on state boards is invaluable. I do appreciate it. Thank you for taking the time. I know you&#8217;re busy and hopefully you&#8217;ll come back soon.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Andy Smarick (24:40):</strong><br />
Whenever you call. Have a great summer.</p>
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		<title>How Missouri Can Encourage Economic Growth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 19:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>In his 2026 report, Looking for Growth: A Productivity Story, economist Joseph Haslag finds that eliminating Missouri&#8217;s state income tax could raise the state&#8217;s annual growth rate by a quarter [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his 2026 report, <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/publication/economy/looking-for-growth-a-productivity-story/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><em>Looking for Growth: A Productivity Story</em></a>, economist Joseph Haslag finds that eliminating Missouri&#8217;s state income tax could raise the state&#8217;s annual growth rate by a quarter to a half percentage point and lift workers&#8217; incomes.</p>
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		<title>Jackson County Reassessment Lawsuits Roll Onward</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2026 21:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The movie The Odyssey is being released next month, and that’s appropriate for the Jackson County assessment district because the county is truly between Scylla and Charybdis now. The reassessment [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie <em>The Odyssey</em> is being released next month, and that’s appropriate for the Jackson County assessment district because the county is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Scylla_and_Charybdis">truly between Scylla and Charybdis</a> now. The <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/taxes/jackson-county-assessment-facts-part-four/">reassessment process in Jackson County</a> has been a disaster for over a decade now. The only thing I will say in defense of the county and the assessor’s office is that Jackson County was underassessed for a long time. (My explanation as to why that was <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/municipal-policy/jackson-county-assessment-facts-part-1/">can be found here</a>.) The process to accurately assess property within Jackson County was never going to be easy or fun, but the county <a href="https://www.kctv5.com/2024/08/07/state-tax-commission-orders-jackson-county-fix-some-2023-assessments/">has failed at the overall process</a> by any measure.</p>
<p>Jackson County has begun attempting to correct its <a href="https://www.kcur.org/housing-development-section/2023-09-15/independence-sues-jackson-county-over-inconsistent-and-unfair-property-assessments">poorly conducted reassessments in 2023</a> and 2025. It will do this by retroactively <a href="https://www.kctv5.com/2025/10/17/sigh-relief-jackson-county-moves-roll-back-commercial-property-assessments/">rolling back property assessments</a> for some property owners, sending refunds to other taxpayers, and withholding future tax funds from other taxing entities, such as fire districts, to make up for the overpayments by taxpayers in 2023 and 2025. The county has to withhold future payments because counties collect all the property taxes within the county, but then distribute almost all of that money to other taxing districts. Jackson County does not have a large pot of its own money it can make amends from. Not surprisingly, some of those <a href="https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/jackson-county/article316186972.html">taxing entities are suing</a> over the withholding of their future tax payments.</p>
<p>The problem is, those school districts and other taxing entities were not the ones who caused the problems in 2023 and 2025. They followed the rules, set their tax rates, received their tax money, and spent it. Now they are being told they have to give some of it back.</p>
<p>So, I understand the objections by the taxing districts, but I have much more sympathy for the taxpayers who were victimized by a poor process over the past few reassessments. The Jackson County assessor’s office, among other problems, failed to<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sihrX32uq1M"> provide taxpayers with the rights of appeal and relief</a> they were entitled to during the process. So, yes, some taxpayers were overcharged because they did not have their full opportunity to appeal their taxes.</p>
<p>In short, the new Jackson County leadership team deserves credit for changing course and finally trying to correct the problems and refund money to some taxpayers.  I think the taxpayers deserve these refunds—and the entire process <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/taxes/jackson-county-property-tax-assessment-update/">needs wholesale changes</a>.</p>
<p>I have no idea how the courts will rule in this lawsuit. I’ll be following it closely. Hopefully this controversy and similar, <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/taxes/platte-county-agreement-could-be-a-model-for-missouri/">recent issues in Platte County can lead to massive changes</a> in how we conduct property reassessments in Missouri.</p>
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		<title>The Continued Growth of the Four-Day School Week in Missouri</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education (DESE) reports that 188 of 518 school districts will be operating on a four-day school week (4dsw) during the upcoming school year. [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education (DESE) reports that 188 of 518 school districts will be operating on a four-day school week (4dsw) during the upcoming school year.</p>
<p>The figure below shows the rapid growth of the 4dsw since the 2010–11 school year.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-603901" src="https://showmeinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Avery-4dsw-figure.png" alt="" width="904" height="503" srcset="https://showmeinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Avery-4dsw-figure.png 904w, https://showmeinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Avery-4dsw-figure-300x167.png 300w, https://showmeinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Avery-4dsw-figure-768x427.png 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 904px) 100vw, 904px" /></p>
<p>Source: DESE</p>
<p>Missouri is not alone in this phenomenon. The 4dsw is <a href="https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1323921.pdf">increasingly popular</a> across the country, especially in rural districts. Even though 36 percent of Missouri school districts use a 4dsw, they cover only 13 percent of students because rural districts are smaller. However, it is notable that the Independence School District in Kansas City, with over 13,000 students, is also on a 4dsw.</p>
<p>Districts typically adopt a four-day calendar in hopes of improving teacher recruitment and retention and, in some cases, reducing costs. In 2024, Senate Bill 727 included a modest financial incentive for districts to have at least 169 instructional days to <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/education/how-will-the-four-day-school-week-progress-in-light-of-sb-727/">encourage districts</a> to remain on a five-day schedule. Nevertheless, the use of the 4dsw <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/education/the-four-day-school-week-wont-quit/">continues to expand</a>.</p>
<p>My colleague James Shuls and I authored a series of papers examining the effects of the 4dsw on academic achievement, district finances, teacher retention, and parental satisfaction:</p>
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<li><a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/publication/education/a-systematic-literature-review-of-the-four-day-school-week/">A Systematic Literature Review of the Four-day School Week</a></li>
<li><a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/publication/education/five-for-me-a-survey-of-missourians-regarding-the-four-day-school-week/">Five for Me: A Survey of Missourians Regarding the Four-day School Week</a></li>
<li><a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/publication/performance/longer-days-and-fewer-total-hours-examining-the-four-day-school-week-in-missouri/">Longer Days and Fewer Total Hours: Examining the Four-day School Week in Missouri</a></li>
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<p>Across these reports, we found that the 4dsw was harmful for student achievement, with stronger negative effects for non-rural students. We found that the 4dsw either had no meaningful effect on finances, or that a decrease in costs was almost entirely offset by a decrease in revenues. For teacher retention, the results were mixed. We found that parents had a slight preference for the five-day school week (with those using a 4dsw as the strongest supporters, and those concerned about childcare as the strongest opponents).</p>
<p>Since our papers were published, several newer studies have been published, though the number of rigorous, quantitative studies on the effects of the 4dsw is still limited.</p>
<p>A 2024 <a href="https://caldercenter.org/publications/impacts-four-day-school-weeks-teacher-recruitment-and-retention-and-student-attendance">study</a> from the Center for Analysis of Longitudinal Data in Education Research (CALDER) found “small negative or statistically insignificant effects on teacher recruitment and retention outcomes.”</p>
<p>Similarly, a 2025 CALDER <a href="https://caldercenter.org/sites/default/files/2025-06/CALDER-WP-320-0625.pdf">study</a> used Missouri data and “found no evidence that the 4dsw improves teacher recruitment or retention,” despite educators and school leaders believing it does. My colleague, Cory Koedel, was one of the study’s coauthors and wrote about the findings in greater detail <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/education/the-4-day-school-week-doesnt-improve-teacher-recruitment-or-retention/">here</a>.</p>
<p>The 4dsw is not a loophole that <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/education/the-four-day-school-week-and-finances/">saves money</a> and improves teacher retention at no cost to students. In fact, the available evidence suggests that, on average, it is harmful to students while nothing changes for retention and finances.</p>
<p>This does not mean that a 4dsw could never be successful. A district that adopts a 4dsw as part of an innovative educational model could potentially unearth new benefits. However, that is not why most districts switch. School leaders and policymakers should familiarize themselves with the research and approach the continued expansion of the 4dsw with greater skepticism.</p>
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		<title>What If You Eliminated Personal Property Taxes and Nobody Noticed?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 15:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Listen to this article There is a lot of ongoing discussion about eliminating personal property taxes. There have been bills introduced to eliminate them. It’s a major topic of debate [&#8230;]</p>
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<p>There is a lot of ongoing discussion about <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/missouri/comments/1hr5g7e/we_really_need_to_talk_about_missouris_personal/">eliminating personal property taxes</a>. There have been <a href="https://www.senate.mo.gov/BillTracking/Bills/BillInformation?handler=legislation&amp;year=2026&amp;session=R&amp;billPrefix=SJR&amp;billSuffix=84">bills introduced to eliminate them</a>. It’s a major topic of debate around the state, particularly in St. Charles County.</p>
<p>Personal property taxes are the taxes levied on your car, boat, livestock, business equipment, farm equipment, and more. (Thanks <a href="https://www.firstalert4.com/2026/04/15/warrenton-officials-approve-75-personal-property-tax-abatement-multi-billion-dollar-data-center-project/">to data centers,</a> the business equipment part has become much more important in the past year or so.) Missouri indeed<a href="https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/state/tangible-personal-property-tax/"> taxes personal property more than most other states</a>. I am perfectly fine with eliminating the tax. But people should understand that if personal property taxes were eliminated, the Hancock Amendment would allow local governments to then raise real property taxes by the amount lost in personal property taxes.</p>
<p>So, if the state eliminated all personal property taxes statewide, it would likely end up as a revenue-neutral switch where we taxed land and buildings slightly more and taxed mobile assets not at all while removing a tax that most people find particularly annoying. I think that would be a modestly beneficial switch; I just don’t want to sell it as a tax cut.</p>
<p>But could counties on their own eliminate personal property taxes? Yes, every county and taxing district in the state could eliminate personal property taxes if they wanted to. They just don’t want to and I understand why.</p>
<p>Currently, St. Louis County is the only county that is required to set different tax rates for different classes of property. <a href="https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=137.115">RSMo §137.073</a> requires every local government within St. Louis County (including cities, school districts, streetlight districts, etc.) to set a property tax rate for each subclass of property. This means that there are different tax rates for residential, commercial, agricultural, manufacturing, and personal property. The requirement to break down the tax rate by subclass was originally intended for the entire state, but eventually the rest of the state was given the opportunity to opt out if their county commission chose to, which every county in the state did. As a result, the rule currently only applies within St. Louis County and (for an unknown reason) the city of Gladstone in Clay County.</p>
<p>In the rest of Missouri, every government with property tax authority sets one tax rate, which is then applied to all subclasses of real and personal property. There are a few exceptions to this (primarily cities that have never taxed personal property, such as Independence), but almost all governments outside of St. Louis County set the same rate for all real and personal property. But here is the key: Any county in Missouri can adopt different tax rates for different property classifications whenever it wants to.</p>
<p>County officials could require all the taxing entities within their county to set different rates, and then county officials could set the county rate for personal property at zero. But county officials could not tell other taxing districts within the county to apply those new, variable rates. Would any of them choose to set the personal property tax rate at zero? Well, let’s just say that since this switch was made in St. Louis County, I know of no taxing entity that has voluntarily set the personal property tax rate at zero (other than some municipalities that <a href="https://stlouiscountymo.gov/st-louis-county-departments/revenue/collector-of-revenue/tax-rates-summary/">don’t have property taxes at all</a>, such as Chesterfield, or had never set a personal property tax, such as Westwood).</p>
<p>What would happen if a county set its personal property tax rate at zero and no other governments followed? In St. Louis County, the county portion of the tax bill is about five percent. It is a largely similar percentage around Missouri (varying slightly, of course). If St. Louis County government set its personal property tax rate to zero tomorrow, the average car and boat owner would see a five percent reduction in their annual car or boat tax bill. That assumes no other local taxing districts got approval from voters to raise their rates at the same time, which would more than offset it.</p>
<p>The fact is that unless school districts agree to also lower personal property tax rates, any attempt by counties to end personal property taxes will produce underwhelming results. I still think it would be a good thing. We should tax fixed assets like land and buildings instead of mobile ones like cars. It would be a general improvement in tax policy and remove a minor annoyance for most people (i.e., their annual car tax payment).</p>
<p>Let’s just not pretend it would be a large tax cut.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>House Bill (HB) 2872, which contained important early literacy reforms, was on the move during the 2026 Missouri legislative session, but did not ultimately become law. If passed, HB 2872 [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/HB2872/2026">House Bill (HB) 2872</a>, which contained important early literacy reforms, was on the move during the 2026 Missouri legislative session, but did not ultimately become law.</p>
<p>If passed, HB 2872 would have created a mandatory third-grade retention policy for students who could not read effectively and established an enforcement mechanism to align Missouri’s teacher preparation programs with the science of reading.</p>
<p>One of the reasons cited by opponents of the bill was that we needed to wait and let Missouri’s 2022 early literacy reforms take “full effect.” The earlier legislation had some positive aspects, but HB 2872 would have filled important gaps that are clearly seen in a new <a href="https://teacherquality.nctq.org/review/standard/Reading-Foundations/2026">2026 report</a> from the National Council on Teacher Quality (NCTQ).</p>
<p>The NCTQ report evaluates colleges and universities across the United States on how effectively their curriculum addresses the five core components of the science of reading: phonemic awareness, phonics, fluency, vocabulary, and comprehension. It also considers whether programs teach practices found to be ineffective, such as the three-cueing method.</p>
<p>Among the 50 states, Missouri ranks 44th in addressing the core components of the science of reading, with an average of just 2.3 out of 5.0 components. Half of all states scored 4.0 or higher, while often-praised Mississippi scored 4.7.</p>
<p>Even more alarming, Missouri ranks 2nd in the nation, behind only Maine, in teaching ineffective reading practices. Our participating programs taught almost four times more ineffective practices, on average, than the national average.</p>
<p>These results suggest Missouri cannot afford to simply wait for our prior literacy reforms to “take effect.” Today’s students in Missouri’s teacher preparation programs are the teachers of tomorrow’s children, and many are not learning how to teach reading correctly.</p>
<p>Nearly half of the universities in Missouri evaluated by NCTQ received an “F” in teaching the science of reading, including Northwest Missouri State University, Truman State University, and Missouri Southern State University. By comparison, 73% of Mississippi’s programs received an A and none earned an F.</p>
<p>It’s also concerning that 52 percent of Missouri&#8217;s programs either refused to participate, provided heavily redacted materials, or were otherwise unresponsive to the survey. These institutions partner with the state to prepare future teachers, and there should be transparency about how they train teachers.</p>
<p>The success stories of early literacy reforms are well known. Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Indiana have posted meaningful gains in reading achievement after implementing reforms, while Missouri continues to slide in national rankings. We fell from 27th to 38th in fourth-grade reading on the <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&amp;chort=1&amp;sub=MAT&amp;sj=&amp;st=MN&amp;year=2024R3">National Assessment of Educational Progress</a> between 2013 and 2024.</p>
<p>In 2023, Indiana <a href="https://www.chalkbeat.org/indiana/2023/5/25/23737924/indiana-science-of-reading-standards-law-phonics-requirements-literacy-curriculum-change/">required</a> teacher preparation programs to be aligned with the science of reading and prohibited the use of the three-cueing method. Any unaligned program loses the right to be called “accredited.” In a previous NCTQ report <a href="https://teacherquality.nctq.org/review/publication/reading-foundations_2023">from 2023</a> based on data from before Indiana implemented reforms, 33 percent of Indiana’s programs received an A+ or an A. In 2026, 96 percent received an A+ or A.</p>
<p>The reforms in HB 2872 were modeled on Indiana&#8217;s policy and would have helped ensure that future Missouri teachers are trained in the science of reading. Early literacy reform would have built on past successes and helped more students become confident, capable readers. All we can do now is try again next year.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/education/missouri-missed-an-opportunity-reading-reform/">Missouri Missed an Opportunity on Reading Reform</a> appeared first on <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org">Show-Me Institute</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2026 22:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>As an adult, I don’t have much trouble adjusting my sleep schedule when I need to wake up early. I just go to bed earlier the night before.</p>
<p>Teenagers, however, don’t seem to work that way. Adolescent sleep patterns are biologically different, making it difficult for them to compensate for early wake-up times. As a result, one of the most effective policies for improving student outcomes in middle and high school is delaying school start times. A recent <a href="https://www.nber.org/papers/w35184">NBER study</a> provides the latest evidence. The authors examine a California law requiring middle schools to start no earlier than 8:00 a.m. and high schools no earlier than 8:30 a.m. Most schools were affected. After the policy was implemented, total sleep duration increased by an average of about 40 minutes, and the share of students sleeping at least eight hours per night increased by 13 percent.</p>
<p>The effects on academic achievement were substantial. Math and English test scores increased by 0.08 to 0.10 standard deviations—roughly the difference between having a highly effective teacher rather than an average one. These gains are larger than what we would expect from any feasible class-size reduction in middle or high schools.</p>
<p>The study also examined mental health outcomes. While those estimates are less precise, the results suggest improvements in mental health, particularly for boys.</p>
<p>This new NBER study is not an outlier. It adds to a large body of well-identified research reaching the same conclusion: when schools start later, teenagers get more sleep and perform better.</p>
<p>The policy implications are straightforward, though implementation is not always easy. One concern is that parents cannot always shift their work schedules, especially when younger children need supervision before school. But for families facing this challenge, before-school programs can help fill the gap.</p>
<p>Another concern is transportation. Many districts stagger start times so buses can serve multiple schools, meaning some students must start early. Yet this is ultimately a scheduling problem. Districts could shift the entire school day later, allowing students to start and finish later while still leaving plenty of time for after-school activities and family dinners.</p>
<p>The evidence is clear that teenagers benefit greatly from delaying school start times. Missouri school districts should carefully weigh the trade-offs and consider practical adjustments to give our kids more time to sleep.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2026 21:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The upcoming release of the movie <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8814476/"><em>Supergirl</em></a> got me thinking about another Superman-related film—one without laser vision or chiseled jawlines.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFN0nf6Hqk0"><em>Waiting for Superman</em></a>, released in 2010, follows families hoping to use lottery systems to get into a charter school. These families were stuck in failing public schools and desperate for a way out. Parents profiled in the film cried tears of joy when their children “won” the lottery and were so disheartened when they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Its message was simple: droves of students are stuck in failing public schools and are waiting desperately for someone to help.</p>
<p>Missouri has been content allowing students to wait for Superman (or Supergirl now). My colleague, Susan Pendergrass, <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/education/missouri-students-continue-to-fall-behind/">describes the problem</a> well:</p>
<blockquote><p>For years, the education establishment in Missouri has relied on a predictable playbook. Whenever state test scores drop or national rankings look bleak, we are told that the data don’t capture the whole picture, or that a new bureaucratic report card will soon show things are turning around. We are urged to wait, to invest more taxpayer money, and to trust the system.</p></blockquote>
<p>But each year, more students move through the system either underprepared or unprepared. Thankfully, there are proven policies that can help.</p>
<p>Charter schools, open enrollment, and education savings accounts (ESAs) give parents choice, which in turn fosters more competition. With increased competition and accountability, schools are incentivized to innovate.</p>
<p>But Missouri parents have significant limits on choice.</p>
<p>Charter schools face <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/school-choice/open-enrollment-would-improve-missouris-charter-schools/">a quasi-ban</a> across the entire state, except in the St. Louis City School District, the Kansas City 33 School District, and all school districts in Boone County. (A charter school does operate in Normandy Schools Collaborative due to an accreditation provision). Missouri does not have open enrollment, and the ESA program reaches only a fraction of the state’s more than 900,000 students.</p>
<p>This needs to change.</p>
<p>Also concerning is Missouri’s reluctance to embrace comprehensive <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/publication/education/model-policy-early-literacy-reforms/">early literacy</a> reform.</p>
<p>When <em>Waiting for Superman</em> was released in 2010, Mississippi ranked 48th in fourth-grade reading on the <a href="https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&amp;chort=1&amp;sub=MAT&amp;sj=&amp;st=MN&amp;year=2024R3">National Assessment of Educational Progress</a> (NAEP). Louisiana ranked 47th, Tennessee ranked 38th, Indiana ranked 27th, and Missouri ranked 31st.</p>
<p>Since then, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Indiana have implemented serious early literacy reform. They all recognized teaching children to read is a serious undertaking that requires serious solutions.</p>
<p>Success has followed. By 2024, Mississippi had risen from 48th to 9th in fourth-grade reading. Louisiana climbed from 47th to 15th. Tennessee improved from 38th to 23rd. Indiana jumped from 27th to 6th. Do those states have <a href="https://www.columbiamissourian.com/opinion/guest_commentaries/pass-early-literacy-reform-now-then-build-on-it/article_456ea615-a862-4f22-bfa5-46e9bd6faa31.html">more work to do</a>? Of course.</p>
<p>But while they’ve shown improvement, Missouri has fallen from 31st to 38th, as 42% of our fourth graders scored below basic on the reading portion of NAEP.</p>
<p>There was a clear opportunity to pass early literacy reform to mimic the successes of these other states with <a href="https://house.mo.gov/bill.aspx?bill=HB2872&amp;Year=2026&amp;code=$%7bR%7d">House Bill 2872</a>. But opponents in the Senate argued that Missouri should allow the state’s 2022 early literacy reforms (Senate Bills 681 and 682) to take full effect. In other words, keep waiting.</p>
<p>Superman does not exist, and neither does Supergirl.</p>
<p>But policymakers do.</p>
<p>Missouri students cannot afford to spend another year waiting. There are proven reforms that can expand educational opportunity and improve outcomes. This year, Missouri chose not to pursue them. For the sake of our students, that needs to change next year.</p>
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<p><em>The Kansas City Star</em> recently published a story examining <a href="https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article316164303.html">the city&#8217;s gun violence problem</a> as Kansas City hosts matches during the World Cup.</p>
<p>The article raises a legitimate concern. Kansas City, Missouri, suffers from far too much violence. Recent shootings have again drawn national attention to a problem local leaders have struggled to address for years.</p>
<p><em>The Star</em> largely frames that problem through the lens of Missouri&#8217;s gun laws. Missouri allows permit-less carry. It broadly preempts local firearm regulations. Legislative efforts to tighten gun restrictions have gone nowhere, even after highly publicized tragedies such as the Chiefs’ Super Bowl rally shooting.</p>
<p>Reasonable people can conclude that these policies contribute to violence.</p>
<p>But if we are serious about understanding why Kansas City experiences so much violence, there is an obvious question that deserves attention:</p>
<p>What about Kansas? The state line is not hundreds of miles away. It is literally a road.</p>
<p>Kansas has permit-less carry. Kansas does not require firearm registration. Kansas does not impose waiting periods. Kansas does not require universal background checks for private firearm sales. Kansas broadly preempts local governments from adopting their own firearm regulations.</p>
<p>In other words, Kansas and Missouri have remarkably similar firearm laws, yet the outcomes on violence are very different.</p>
<p><em>The Star</em> notes that Kansas City, Missouri, averages roughly 30 homicides during June and July, compared with four in Kansas City, Kansas. That is a remarkable difference. Accounting for population, Kansas City, Missouri, still experiences roughly twice the homicide rate of Kansas City, Kansas.</p>
<p>If neighboring jurisdictions with similar firearm laws experience dramatically different homicide rates, serious observers should be interested in what else might explain the difference. They should certainly acknowledge it.</p>
<p>The question is not whether gun laws matter. The question is whether they are sufficient to explain the difference in homicide numbers. <em>The Star</em> asks the first question. It largely ignores the second.</p>
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<p>At the Show-Me Institute, we spend a lot of time analyzing the systemic, high-level benefits of educational freedom—how it spurs competition, how it affects state funding formulas, and how it drives long-term accountability. But sometimes, it is important to look past the research and focus on the immediate, practical reality confronting parents.</p>
<p>Why do families need school choice? The answer is straightforward—a single, zip-code-assigned school cannot possibly be everything to every child. And when a school fails a student, that student needs a lifeline. A <a href="https://informedchoice1996.substack.com/p/what-motivates-school-switchers?utm_source=post-email-title&amp;publication_id=3830976&amp;post_id=201714736&amp;utm_campaign=email-post-title&amp;isFreemail=false&amp;r=1s9ij5&amp;triedRedirect=true&amp;utm_medium=email">recent iteration</a> of EdChoice’s long-running Public Opinion Tracker survey shows that roughly one in four parents indicate that they have had to switch their children’s school at some point.</p>
<p>When you dig into why these families are switching, the reasons are straightforward. Parents pull their children out of schools because of unfortunate, everyday problems that directly impact a child’s well-being and future.</p>
<p>The four most common reasons parents choose to leave a school are:</p>
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<li><strong>Academic needs not being met:</strong> The child is either falling behind without support or completely unchallenged by a rigid, one-size-fits-all curriculum.</li>
<li><strong>Bullying:</strong> The learning environment has become unsafe, hostile, or emotionally damaging.</li>
<li><strong>Difficulty with teachers:</strong> Friction or a lack of connection with educators that derails the learning process.</li>
<li><strong>Excessive stress or anxiety:</strong> The school environment actively harms the child’s mental and emotional health.</li>
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<p>As a parent of three children who had no publicly funded choice, I have witnessed or experienced all of these. Missouri families who face these issues have very few options. If you have the financial means, you can pay private school tuition out of pocket or pack up and move to a different neighborhood. But if you are a lower-income or working-class family in Missouri, you are trapped unless you live near a charter school in St. Louis, Kansas City, or maybe one day Boone County (charter schools are now authorized to open there, but none have yet). Many families have to watch their children suffer through chronic anxiety, falling grades, or safety concerns because an arbitrary residential boundary says there is no other choice.</p>
<p>This is precisely why educational choice is so vital. It isn’t about dismantling public education. All parents need some form of agency when their children&#8217;s current school simply isn&#8217;t working. When a child is facing bullying or their academic needs are being completely ignored, a family cannot afford to wait five or ten years for the school to change. They need an option <em>right now</em>.</p>
<p>The national data show that school switching is a normal, healthy mechanism for families trying to optimize their children&#8217;s upbringing. It’s time to ensure that every single family in Missouri, regardless of income, has the flexibility to make that switch when their children’s future depends on it.</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with Doug Burris, retired Justice Services Director and Chief United States Probation Officer, about criminal justice reform in Missouri and St. Louis. They discuss Missouri&#8217;s risk-based approach to sentencing and supervision; why building more prisons may not reduce crime; low violent-crime clearance rates in St. Louis; the case for bail reform and expanded electronic monitoring; the Safer Supervision Act before Congress; and more.</p>
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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:00):</strong><br />
Welcome to the podcast, Doug Burris, who has been in and around criminal justice reform. I know you&#8217;ve been making a lot of pushes nationally, and you&#8217;ve worked within Missouri. What I want to talk about today is that in St. Louis city and county, folks are really celebrating this reduction in crime. Murders are down, and therefore we are on the verge of solving this issue. But it doesn&#8217;t feel that way to people who live there. I know you ran the county jail for a while and you&#8217;ve been closely involved in what&#8217;s going on there. What is your perspective on the St. Louis region in terms of where things stand today, in the middle of 2026, when it comes to criminal justice reform and identifying and clearing crimes?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (00:57):</strong><br />
Well, first of all, Susan, thank you for having me as a guest on your show. It&#8217;s greatly appreciated. I&#8217;m such a fan of the Show-Me Institute. To answer your question, there has been some progress, but I think what we have done is taken baby steps and we still need to walk and then run. There&#8217;s much work that needs to be done. I think the state of Missouri as a whole has been a great example of what can happen when criminal justice reform is done correctly. What was done with the Department of Corrections with prior work, including House Bill 1525, allowed for focusing on more high-risk cases and moving low-risk cases through the system quicker, getting them productive and out once they are. That&#8217;s what should be done more at the federal level, following what the state of Missouri did, and also at the local levels in the city of St. Louis. I think that&#8217;s exactly where we&#8217;re headed.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (02:00):</strong><br />
So what did happen at the state level in Missouri? How did they shift their focus? It sounds kind of strange, but to make this system more effective and efficient, you need to find and lock up violent criminals, but people who are not violent criminals who commit a crime could be dealt with differently. What did Missouri do specifically?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (02:01):</strong><br />
Well, Missouri led the way for the rest of the country, as did Texas, where they implemented various reforms. One was making sentencing decisions and supervision decisions based on a risk level, where they had risk assessments that followed the science of criminal justice on who needs to be the most supervised and frankly the longest incarcerated, as opposed to the exact opposite. I&#8217;ll give two extremes of the situation. At the federal level, we have a grandmother who continues to cash her dead husband&#8217;s Social Security check, and that person ends up on federal supervision on the same caseload as a violent child predator. It&#8217;s really not necessary to have that woman on supervision when the real focus should be on the violent person. There is the Safer Supervision Act that&#8217;s before Congress right now, and we&#8217;re really hoping that gets passed so there will be more emphasis on supervising the people who are at highest risk, using risk assessments as a tool to determine that.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (03:45):</strong><br />
And how long has Missouri been doing this? Do we know anything about how it has impacted the size of the prison population?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (03:53):</strong><br />
That&#8217;s a fantastic question. It&#8217;s been in play for about five years now. What has happened is the population of both the prisons in Missouri and the people on supervision has decreased, but the crime rates have not gone up. The same thing has held in Texas, which has done it for just a little bit longer than Missouri. So following the science really does work. And it&#8217;s at a considerable expense. It&#8217;s about thirty thousand dollars to house someone in a Missouri prison, and in a federal prison it&#8217;s over forty-two thousand dollars. It might be cheaper to send these people to college than to send them to jail or prison. And of course there might be more good done too, because there have been all kinds of studies showing that people who get an education or vocational training have drastically lower recidivism rates. That&#8217;s what we really need to be focusing on, and not the grandmother I talked about earlier.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (04:58):</strong><br />
Well, it seems to me that a lot of states, including red states, are moving toward the idea of just building more and bigger prisons and locking everybody up, because if you want to show that you really care about crime, you demonstrate that you are ready to lock everybody up. But that&#8217;s not effective or efficient, right?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (05:21):</strong><br />
No, that&#8217;s exactly right. And unfortunately we&#8217;re seeing that in our neighboring state of Arkansas, where they&#8217;re constructing a new prison expected to cost one billion dollars to open the doors. One billion dollars. And then to operate it, if their annual rate of housing someone in prison equals Missouri&#8217;s, it will cost about a hundred million dollars a year to operate. And again, we&#8217;re going to have people in there who could be supervised in the community or given opportunities like drug treatment, job training, and education, things that will have people contributing to the tax base rather than taking from it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (06:03):</strong><br />
How do you convince people that a risk assessment is going to work when they want all the criminals off the streets?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (06:10):</strong><br />
Well, it&#8217;s twofold. One is we have to educate people that putting someone in prison is going to cost tens of thousands of dollars every year, and in the end they may come out more angry and less able to adapt to the community. The other thing is to follow the science. Look at what Missouri has done and what Texas has done, where they have lowered the prison population and crime has actually gone down. This is something other states should be following as well. We can&#8217;t keep everyone in prison forever. We just can&#8217;t afford it. And not only that, but it&#8217;s also inhumane. The cost would be astronomical if we start keeping people in prison for low-risk crimes that in some cases have no victims.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (07:10):</strong><br />
A couple of things came up in the last legislative session. Governor Kehoe passed a violent crime clearance rate grant program, but the legislature hasn&#8217;t funded it. What are your thoughts on that?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (07:27):</strong><br />
When it comes to violent crime, I&#8217;m all in favor of keeping the most violent people in as long as possible and perhaps even for life. The question is where can we find ways to save money with those who aren&#8217;t violent? That&#8217;s what we really need to be focusing on. When you&#8217;re supervising a violent person but you also have nonviolent people on your caseload, it really just doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (08:01):</strong><br />
Well, I was just thinking specifically about trying to direct some funds toward clearing crimes, because even though murders are down, clearance rates on murders are still pretty low in St. Louis, in the thirty to forty percent range. I would think that the same people who are interested in locking everybody up would like to clear more of these crimes. If you look at carjackings, most of those go unsolved. Maybe one in ten is cleared. While we focus on risk assessment, which is a great idea, there are other things we could be doing, like working harder to clear the crimes that are committed.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (08:39):</strong><br />
Absolutely. That makes complete and total sense, because when you&#8217;re talking about the worst of the worst, they don&#8217;t commit one crime and then never do it again. This is an excellent idea for putting resources toward making the community safer.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (08:56):</strong><br />
Another thing that came up in the last legislative session was DNA testing people who are arrested, running their DNA and then disposing of it if they don&#8217;t match anything. I don&#8217;t think that went anywhere. I know there are a number of bills that have moved through trying to make Missouri a safer place. It wasn&#8217;t a really productive legislative session in 2026 in Jefferson City. A lot of things didn&#8217;t happen, but things are being attempted. What about St. Louis specifically? Having run the jail in the county, what do you think needs to be done there to improve residents&#8217; feeling of safety?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (09:38):</strong><br />
I think more resources need to be directed at the court level, first of all, and at the investigative level like you talked about. But there are people in jail awaiting trial who have not been found guilty for three to five years. Can you imagine what it would be like to be in a place where you don&#8217;t see the sun for three to five years? You don&#8217;t feel the sun on your face or the hug of a loved one. I saw some of those cases where people were headed to trial and after three to five years the case just goes away. I think we need to really focus on giving the courts resources, and that includes both prosecutors and public defenders. Public defenders have some of the highest caseloads in the nation here in Missouri. If someone is innocent or can be dealt with quickly and given a path to become a productive citizen, that&#8217;s what we really should be focusing on.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (10:37):</strong><br />
What about the bail system? Does that need reforming?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (10:41):</strong><br />
Yes, I really think so. That&#8217;s one of the things some other states have done that has shown incredible results: using a risk assessment at bail. The federal system does that currently, and I think it&#8217;s still underutilized. There are things that can be done with that risk assessment in terms of supervision strategies, but I think the judge needs to know the absolute risk of that person and what can be done to address it when making a decision on bail.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (11:14):</strong><br />
Can&#8217;t we put more people on monitoring? I hate to suggest everyone gets an ankle monitor, but can&#8217;t we monitor more people while they&#8217;re awaiting trial rather than having to house and feed them?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (11:31):</strong><br />
Yes, absolutely. That&#8217;s an area that needs to be expanded. In the St. Louis County jail, for example, which is the largest jail in Missouri, there are three hundred people in custody right now who are low risk. We&#8217;re spending about a hundred and twenty dollars a day to keep them in jail, potentially for years. Low-risk people, if you follow the science, can typically be supervised in the community.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (12:06):</strong><br />
So do you think that if we were to implement all of these reforms, do a risk assessment on every person charged, only lock up the violent criminals, and let people await their trial at home, that St. Louis would feel more safe or less safe?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (12:07):</strong><br />
Well, I think with proper supervision you&#8217;d have to do it right. You just can&#8217;t let everyone out. Utilizing the risk assessment would really be the key, because someone may be charged with a low-risk crime this time, but they could be on parole for a prior murder or rape or something along those lines. That&#8217;s why you really need to look at the risk assessment to determine the appropriate strategies for releasing people.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (12:42):</strong><br />
Yeah. This just seems to be a growing sector of our economy and a growing slice of the budget pie. Missouri has budget problems. We&#8217;re putting so much money toward this idea of reducing crime, and for some reason people still just don&#8217;t want to walk to their car alone at night. I know there&#8217;s a lot of general public disorder in St. Louis, graffiti, homelessness, panhandlers, that also contribute to it. I wish I could understand a reasonable, cost-effective approach to</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (13:26):</strong><br />
Yes.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (13:37):</strong><br />
improving those conditions, because I know other cities have and I believe St. Louis can do it, but we have this reputation of being a crime-ridden city, and I think that&#8217;s so unfortunate.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (13:47):</strong><br />
Right. I completely agree with you. The truth is the answer isn&#8217;t to lock everybody up. The United States has the second highest rate of incarceration on the planet, only behind North Korea. The Department of Justice reports that if incarceration rates remain the same, one out of every fifteen adults in the United States will serve a prison term. One out of every fifteen. And that&#8217;s a prison term for a felony conviction, not a jail term for a DUI or a bad check. The costs are astronomical: thirty thousand dollars a year to house someone in a Missouri prison, paid for by the taxpayers. There have been proven strategies for getting people in and out of the criminal justice system. Ninety-three percent of those who remain employed on supervision successfully complete supervision. Those who remain unemployed throughout their supervision have a more than fifty percent failure rate. Getting people a decent job where they can care for others and find meaning is really one of the keys to lowering crime.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (14:45):</strong><br />
Yeah. And there are public-private partnerships, and partnerships through religious organizations and other programs that have been shown to work, if we would free them up.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (15:13):</strong><br />
That is so true. Chuck Colson&#8217;s old organization, Prison Fellowship, is one of the best with the programs they offer in prisons and to people when they get out. It has proven, particularly in Iowa, to show drastic reductions in recidivism.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (15:25):</strong><br />
Wow, that&#8217;s great. So I&#8217;m surprised to hear that Missouri has led the way on prison populations. I thought there was consideration about building a new prison, but I believe it&#8217;s not happening. Is that right?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (15:55):</strong><br />
Yes, that&#8217;s exactly right. Our prison population has actually decreased in the last few years.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (16:03):</strong><br />
Wow, that&#8217;s really surprising to me. But good to hear. So what are you looking for the governor or the state legislature to do in the coming years?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (16:12):</strong><br />
I think they should build on the reforms that have already been proven to be successful. The one thing you mentioned that I think is frankly brilliant is the idea of working to close open violent crime cases, because on the violent cases, the chances are it&#8217;s not one crime they committed and then they go to work the next day and never commit another crime. I think that would be something fantastic for the state legislature to do.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (16:37):</strong><br />
And at the federal level, what are you hoping to see done?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (16:46):</strong><br />
The Safer Supervision Act, as I mentioned before, is actually a bipartisan act, but it&#8217;s being led by the right right now. The conservatives are the ones who have introduced it into Congress. The Department of Justice is in favor of it. It would make the assessments we talked about more prominent, and it would also give people incentives to do things right, like getting a college education or a good-paying job and paying off restitution, where they can get off supervision earlier. That makes complete sense. But also, almost everyone convicted of a federal crime now is given supervision, like the grandmother I mentioned earlier who cashed her dead husband&#8217;s Social Security checks after he passed. This would allow for a more</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (17:33):</strong><br />
Mm-hmm.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (17:42):</strong><br />
thorough assessment at the time of sentencing, for the judge to not put people on supervision who don&#8217;t need it. That would clear up resources so more time could be spent on the people who really need to be supervised, as opposed to those who don&#8217;t.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (18:01):</strong><br />
Yeah. A lot of the sentencing reform we hear about involves mandatory minimums, which force judges into incarcerating people whether they want to or not. I assume that&#8217;s not something you would support.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (18:16):</strong><br />
No. I worked in the federal system for twenty-three years and saw the damage that mandatory minimums have done. For instance, with crack cases, I saw a judge sentence someone who was selling five grams of crack. A gram is equal to about a sugar packet you put into your coffee, and five grams carried a mandatory five years. And then you would have people with no mandatory minimums who robbed a bank and did a shooting receive lower sentences than drug cases. Thankfully there were two reductions in the crack mandatory minimums, applied retroactively. Over 23,000 people had a resentencing, and when they were released, they did not offend at higher levels than those who served their full terms. That was money well saved. The judge has a better idea on sentencing someone when they have all the facts of the case before them, rather than relying on a statistical report done ten years prior that says, because he was convicted of this crime, he gets this sentence.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (19:17):</strong><br />
Yeah. Right. Well, I&#8217;m relatively new to this area, but I think it&#8217;s all pretty fascinating. We struggle enough to get people to live in our cities, and if they don&#8217;t feel safe, that&#8217;s not going to help. I look forward to learning more about this area of policy and following more closely what Missouri and St. Louis specifically are doing. I would like to have you come back and talk about it again when there are real policies being considered, because it&#8217;s not going away and there&#8217;s a lot to learn.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (20:11):</strong><br />
Well, I appreciate it. I enjoyed my forty-year career in the criminal justice system, and hopefully I&#8217;ll be the only guy you&#8217;ve ever met who has been in more prisons than John Gotti.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (20:16):</strong><br />
Hopefully. Thank you so much, Doug. I really appreciate it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Doug Burris (20:27):</strong><br />
Thank you, Susan. It was a real honor.</p>
<p>Produced by Show-Me Opportunity</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>It has been nearly two months since Kansas City leaders and the Royals announced plans for a new downtown ballpark at Crown Center. Yet we still don’t know the amount [&#8230;]</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been nearly two months since Kansas City leaders and the Royals announced plans for a new downtown ballpark at Crown Center. Yet we still don’t know the amount taxpayers will be asked to provide for the project.</p>
<p>According to <a href="https://www.kansascity.com/sports/mlb/kansas-city-royals/article316066404.html"><em>The Kansas City Star</em></a>, the city has not yet formally applied for funding under Missouri&#8217;s Show-Me Sports Investment Act. State participation is a central piece of the financing plan, and city officials are already considering ways to secure up to $600 million in local support.</p>
<p>Negotiations of this scale are complicated. City, state, and team officials may simply still be working through the details. But the delay raises an obvious question. If the public financing package is as straightforward as supporters suggest, why are the numbers still unavailable? (The same could be asked of the <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/corporate-welfare/next-up-on-chiefs-and-royals-stadium-saga/">Chiefs deal in Kansas</a>.)</p>
<p>One possibility is that the arithmetic is becoming more difficult as officials move from press announcement to actual financing plans.</p>
<p>When the stadium was announced, the Royals indicated that roughly 60% of the project&#8217;s estimated $1.9 billion cost would come from public sources. That implies well over $1 billion in taxpayer support. Yet the Show-Me Sports Investment Act places meaningful limits on state assistance. <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/corporate-welfare/by-the-numbers-what-missouri-might-give-the-royals/">As I noted previously</a>, available estimates suggest the state&#8217;s contribution may be closer to $250 million than the much larger figures that have circulated publicly.</p>
<p>If state support is lower than hoped, the remaining public contribution would need to come from Kansas City taxpayers through various tax diversions and subsidies. It won’t be cheap.</p>
<p>The political environment may become even more challenging if voters get a chance to weigh in. Opponents of the project <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/corporate-welfare/kansas-city-voters-may-get-a-say-on-the-royals-downtown-stadium/">have submitted signatures</a> seeking a public vote on the city&#8217;s participation. That effort remains uncertain, but financing proposals acceptable to elected officials may not be acceptable to the public—<a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/subsidies/sometimes-sanity-wins/">as we learned in 2024</a>.</p>
<p>To make matters more confusing, the <a href="https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article315938447.html"><em>Star</em> previously reported</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mayor Quinton Lucas told reporters that the city has projections for how much tax revenue a new stadium could generate based on what Kauffman Stadium in the Truman Sports Complex produces now — which city officials say is roughly $5 million a year.</p></blockquote>
<p>That $5 million is currently going into the city’s coffers and used to fund police, infrastructure, and other public goods. Moving the team downtown and then returning that money to the Royals is not a wash—it’s a $5 million hit to the budget each year. And that does not include the cost to the city if the stadium fails to generate enough money to cover the bond payments—because the city will issue the bonds <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/corporate-welfare/another-policy-concession-from-kansas-city-kind-of/">and back them up</a>.</p>
<p>This project is bad for taxpayers and bad for the city. The delay from the city and the state in providing financing details suggests that elected leaders are beginning to understand exactly how bad it will be.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with Cory Koedel, director of education policy at the Show-Me Institute, about Missouri education policy following the 2026 legislative session. They discuss the governor&#8217;s A to F [&#8230;]</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with Cory Koedel, director of education policy at the Show-Me Institute, about Missouri education policy following the 2026 legislative session. They discuss the governor&#8217;s A to F letter grade executive order, why literacy legislation failed to pass, leadership turmoil at DESE, <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://showmeinstitute.org/publication/education/would-interdistrict-open-enrollment-disrupt-missouris-school-districts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Show-Me&#8217;s latest Report</a></span> on the effects of open enrollment, the case for expanding charter schools in Missouri, and more.</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Episode Transcript</strong></span></p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:00):</strong> Not for the first time, we&#8217;re going to be talking to Dr. Cory Koedel of both the Show-Me Institute and Mizzou. Thanks for coming on once again. You and I sort of slogged through the legislative session together with other folks week by week. I am not the first person to say it&#8217;s like Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown, where every year I&#8217;m a little optimistic that something&#8217;s going to really happen and things are just</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (00:07):</strong> Thanks for having me.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:27):</strong> looking good early in the session, and then it seems to fall apart. What do you think happened this year in particular? What&#8217;s your take?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (00:35):</strong> Well, I agree with you. I was optimistic going in. I think the governor set a great tone. Before we start talking about all the negatives, because ultimately I think it was a dud, I think the A to F letter grade executive order was a really good thing and I don&#8217;t know how</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:50):</strong> Can you explain what that is?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (00:51):</strong> Yeah, so the governor in January issued an executive order that is going to require the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education to give A to F letter grades to all schools and districts. This is something a lot of successful states do. We&#8217;ve written before here at the Show-Me Institute about how the report cards that DESE puts out are kind of a number dump. There&#8217;s no use, it&#8217;s hard to learn anything from them, people don&#8217;t understand what the report cards mean, and they&#8217;re effectively useless. This is going to end that. There&#8217;s going to be good, transparent information about school performance in a way that everyone understands what it means. And the executive order lays out that the information to be used is based on student achievement. So that was a really great thing.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (01:33):</strong> But it kind of threw a rock in the pond, right? It did for me anyway, which is to say I didn&#8217;t know this was going to happen. I&#8217;m guessing that some folks at DESE, either before it happened or when it happened, were a little taken aback that they had this now huge item on their to-do list. And then ironically, or maybe this made sense to everybody else, the legislature decided to take up A to F letter grades, and I felt like that took a lot of their attention.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (01:58):</strong> Well, I think there&#8217;s some sense of that. They were following the leadership of the governor, and an executive order is not a permanent thing. It can be rescinded by the next governor. And if there is momentum behind this to codify the executive order in legislation, I was supportive of that. I think, and this is where the negative comes in, ultimately the legislature just could not get anything done this session. There was this issue, and the other big thing that had a lot of momentum was literacy policy, and that also failed. The legislature just couldn&#8217;t get out of its own way. But we still have the executive order, and that&#8217;s an important thing this year.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (02:33):</strong> And when you say the literacy policy, just tell folks what that is.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (02:36):</strong> Yeah, sure. There is growing recognition that test scores in the country have been pretty bad, and there&#8217;s a handful of states that are bucking the trend. There&#8217;s a small handful of things those states are doing that seem to be important, and one of them is based on literacy: teaching literacy the right way, which means using phonics instead of a method called three-cueing that encourages kids to guess at words and has been debunked. So focus on phonics, and then the other thing is demanding that kids can read by the end of third grade. What that means is you give them a literacy-focused assessment to figure out if they can read, and if they can&#8217;t, you retain them in third grade. We had some literacy legislation that had those elements in it, and there was a lot of support for it in Jefferson City, but ultimately it could not get done.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (03:27):</strong> And one thing that is happening from legislation a year or so ago is that in addition to St. Louis County, St. Louis, and Kansas City, basically Boone County, in the middle of the state where Columbia is, where you live, was written into a law that would allow Boone County to get charter schools sponsored by something other than the local school board, which has to be the sponsor everywhere else in the state. There is one charter school opening in Boone County and another one trying to open, one that&#8217;s been approved by the state board, and that seemed to come into play at the end of the session, right?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (04:02):</strong> Are you referring to the stance by a senator that essentially any education legislation would have to come with a repeal of the rule that allows charter schools in Boone County? Yeah, I think</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (04:15):</strong> Yeah, like one senator derailed all kinds of things. Reading, and more. Doesn&#8217;t that surprise you? Like one senator can throw off the whole thing.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (04:25):</strong> Well, this is an area where I&#8217;m not a political expert. I don&#8217;t pretend to be. I&#8217;m learning on the job. But it sounds like we have this really strong filibuster rule in the Senate that allows this. As someone who doesn&#8217;t like big government as a general principle, I don&#8217;t mind that it&#8217;s hard for government to get stuff done. But it is very frustrating when there&#8217;s a policy, literacy in particular, where there&#8217;s overwhelming support. Everyone wants our kids to read. Anyone who looks at the data can see how bad it is. And then a small handful, even a single person, can just derail the whole thing. Yes, it&#8217;s very frustrating.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (05:02):</strong> That&#8217;s crazy. But there are things happening outside of the Missouri state legislature that give us some opportunities via the executive branch. Just bring us up to speed on what&#8217;s happened over at DESE.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (05:17):</strong> Well, there&#8217;s a lot of turmoil at DESE right now. The Commissioner of Education resigned last month, as well as one of the number two people there. I don&#8217;t want to be speculative about things I&#8217;m not sure about, but I will say there is a recording of a highly contentious meeting with the school board</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (05:28):</strong> Do we have any idea why? Frustration or</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (05:42):</strong> the month before the resignation occurred, and that would be quite a coincidence. We have essentially an entirely new school board since the governor came in, with the governor appointing a bunch of people, and they&#8217;re behaving very differently than the school board has behaved in the past. For me, I feel bad for the folks involved. Change is always hard. But things have not been going well in our schools in Missouri, so</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (05:51):</strong> Mm-hmm.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (06:09):</strong> I think the change is needed, and the school board is pushing for it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (06:13):</strong> Yeah, they&#8217;re much more active than they&#8217;ve been in the past. Not activists, but the prior school boards changed by one or two people here and there, and they were kind of a rubber stamp to what DESE did and didn&#8217;t really push back.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (06:29):</strong> Yeah. I wouldn&#8217;t use the term activist. It&#8217;s rubber stamp versus genuinely holding DESE to task on the things DESE is supposed to be doing. That&#8217;s what I see as different.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (06:36):</strong> Existing. Yeah. So I interrupted you. You said the commissioner resigned, and</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (06:49):</strong> what I viewed as kind of the second in command stepped out as well. And the school board president, who had been on the school board for a long time, also resigned. So we&#8217;re going to have entirely new leadership at the top for state education policy.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (07:04):</strong> How do you recommend that the Board of Education go about finding someone to replace the Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (07:11):</strong> Well, I think a national search is important. Missouri has been pretty comfortable just promoting from within and keeping things as they are. I do think we need real change. The biggest quality this person would have is that they would be aspirational. I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve had aspiration at the top of DESE or the school board for a very long time. Someone aspirational who is willing to go in, acknowledge hard truths, because I think that has been lacking here, and then set out a serious, feasible vision for how to get to where we want to go.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (07:47):</strong> Yeah. Because ultimately our kids graduate from our schools and go out into the world. They don&#8217;t just stay in Missouri, right? The idea that we can just do things how Missouri has always done them and not worry about what other states are doing is something that needs to be put aside, in my opinion.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (08:10):</strong> Yeah, and just beyond that, the test data are pretty overwhelming that our kids just aren&#8217;t learning as much anymore. If we were a business, we&#8217;d say we can&#8217;t keep running our business like this, this is not working, and we would change. We need to have that mentality here as well.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (08:26):</strong> One thing that&#8217;s been floated the last several legislative sessions, at least four or five, often by the same person, is an idea that many states have. It&#8217;s kind of a gateway to letting kids pick any public school they want within their district or outside of their district, which is called interdistrict choice or open enrollment. That has come up routinely in Missouri. We have not done it. Kansas, our neighbor, has done it aggressively. Oklahoma as well. And there are folks in the state for whom this is the one and only issue, the one thing they want more than anything else: for kids to be able to pick any public school. There&#8217;s pushback on that from superintendents and people within the system who say we won&#8217;t be able to manage the kids moving all over the place, the money moving all over the place, schools will have to close, the small rural ones especially, and it&#8217;s going to cause major upheaval if we allow open enrollment. You&#8217;ve just written a paper on this. What do you say to that claim?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (09:33):</strong> Yeah, so this all started when I was giving testimony down in Jefferson City. As you mentioned, open enrollment comes up at least recently every legislative session. This session was a little quiet because the legislators were focused on the letter grades and literacy, but in prior sessions it&#8217;s been quite prominent. The testimony against open enrollment, the first-order thing they talk about, is the disruption this is going to cause, both in terms of operations, like how are we going to handle</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (09:40):</strong> Right.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (10:00):</strong> this huge influx of kids, and then finances. My initial reaction when I was listening to this testimony was that it didn&#8217;t sound like that would happen as extremely as they were implying. And then I went and looked, and there&#8217;s really not much evidence on it. We collected data from five states that have implemented open enrollment policies. We picked the states to be informative about Missouri, kind of nearby, but they also have different levels of the policy. Some states have very expansive open enrollment policies, like Oklahoma. Some states are pretty restrictive, where the districts don&#8217;t have to participate and can exclude kids for whatever reason they want. So there&#8217;s a whole range of these programs. We pulled together five states that differ on dimensions that allow us to see some of this, and we looked at what happened to enrollment across districts when open enrollment was implemented, looking five years forward. I thought the claims I was hearing in the testimony were probably overstated, but I was a little shocked at how little we found.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (10:56):</strong> Sure.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (11:06):</strong> There&#8217;s really no evidence of any disruption caused within the first five years that you can see statistically. One thing to keep in mind is that school districts experience enrollment fluctuations every year for all kinds of reasons. This stuff is moving up and down, people are moving around, there&#8217;s a big group of ten-year-olds in an area for whatever reason, all these kinds of things are happening all the time. Open enrollment happens, and you can&#8217;t really see anything changing beyond the normal fluctuations that districts already experience. The result was a little stronger than I thought it would be in the sense of just nothing being there, but it really made me think that this whole disruption claim is a non-starter.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (11:45):</strong> Yeah, I often hear, what about the buses, we&#8217;re going to be driving these kids all over the place. And there is this idea that there&#8217;s going to be a magnet pulling kids from the low-performing schools to the high-performing, wealthy schools. That has never even been part of the legislation. It&#8217;s always been if you have an open seat, and districts can say how many open seats they have at what grade in what schools, and parents can apply to have their child fill that open seat. There&#8217;s never been a scenario where it&#8217;s completely open and people are crossing all over the place. That is true in some places like New Orleans, which is a hundred percent charter school, where kids aren&#8217;t zoned at all and it seems to function. But the doomsday scenario, and the rurals especially claiming they&#8217;re going to have to close, did you look at school closings too?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (12:40):</strong> Yes, and on school and district closings, there&#8217;s really nothing happening there. Those just aren&#8217;t very common events. They weren&#8217;t very common before open enrollment was implemented, and they aren&#8217;t very common after.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (12:42):</strong> Yeah. Right. Although we have some tiny school districts in Missouri. So where do you stand now? If someone pushes for it, it&#8217;s not going to bother you because it doesn&#8217;t really do anything?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (13:01):</strong> Well, I want to back up and talk a little bit about something you mentioned. There are two extremes here. The people who are most against open enrollment are either in the camp of, essentially, I am a taxpayer in a wealthy district and our district is great, and everyone is going to come and overwhelm us as soon as this is allowed. But there&#8217;s no basis for that, because as you indicated, no well-defined</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (13:05):</strong> Yes, please do.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (13:27):</strong> policy would allow that to happen. It&#8217;s always if you have capacity, and local people get first priority. That policy is just built not to allow that. I also think it&#8217;s true that the people living in areas with the best schools overvalue them by the fact that they live there. They&#8217;re all wound up about school quality. It doesn&#8217;t mean everyone else everywhere is just dying to beat down their door and get into their school. They don&#8217;t care as much. And on the flip side, you have the claim that these low-performing schools are going to get bottomed out, emptied out, and have to close, and everyone will leave. There&#8217;s also a lot of evidence that there&#8217;s not a lot of leaving out of those districts anyway. My bigger issue with that is, what exactly are you holding on to here? You&#8217;re a big believer that a terrible school should just be able to exist forever? I don&#8217;t understand that. But even ignoring my personal view that it&#8217;s not so bad if a terrible district closes, people just are not fleeing en masse. The people who really want to go to better schools, the system&#8217;s imperfect, but they already aren&#8217;t living near the really bad schools. There are ways they can get around that. There&#8217;s just not this strong push and pull on both sides like people imagine.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal">So in principle, open enrollment is a good policy. In states that have it, maybe a little over 10 percent of kids participate in some states. In most states it&#8217;s mid single digits, like five, seven, eight percent. That&#8217;s a decent amount. It&#8217;s a nice feature that kids should be able to choose their school if they want to and if there&#8217;s space. Our paper really shows it doesn&#8217;t do much harm. The school system can handle it, so why not do it? I will say, proponents of open enrollment, there&#8217;s a little bit of a double-edged sword here, where it doesn&#8217;t look like it&#8217;s some market-shifting mechanism that just upends the school system and creates a super-efficient market, because most people do stay local and just go to their local school. So it kind of dulls my enthusiasm for it if you want to put it that way. It&#8217;s not the first thing I would want to do to make our school system more efficient from a market perspective. But it&#8217;s a nice policy, we should have it, and it&#8217;s not causing harm.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (15:28):</strong> Yeah. I think all the conversation around it, and not this year but the year before, in the 2025 legislative session, some of the lower-performing districts were like, okay, if I vote for this, we have to carve out my district so kids can&#8217;t leave, which is absurd. Because we&#8217;re low performing, the kids will want to leave, so carve out the low performers and lock the door, make sure the kids have to stay. That&#8217;s crazy. But I think it&#8217;s created a general disdain for the idea of letting kids pick a public school rather than being assigned to one. Because you and I have also worked on this issue: by law, if a school is designated as persistently dangerous, kids are supposed to be able to leave. Missouri doesn&#8217;t identify any persistently dangerous schools, but federal law says if a school is persistently dangerous by definition, kids are allowed to leave. And in many states that have letter grades or some other rating system, kids in the lowest-performing schools are allowed to leave. If you go to an F school, they can&#8217;t make you stay. You can pick another public school. My concern is that in Missouri there&#8217;s such a strong distaste for the idea of public school open enrollment that we&#8217;re not even considering it in those extreme cases.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (16:57):</strong> Yeah, I think you&#8217;re right. It kind of boggles my mind, because I don&#8217;t think anyone is anti-kid. If you found some kid and said, look, your school is really dangerous, somehow people talk themselves into that being an okay policy because they&#8217;re worried about the school itself or the adults. For me it&#8217;s just like, look, these kids, this is it for them. The kids in our schools today, this is their shot. We can fix our schools and make them better tomorrow, but for the kids today, this is what they have, and</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (17:05):</strong> No, I don&#8217;t even.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (17:30):</strong> why are we trapping them in terrible options? They may choose terrible options, and I think that&#8217;s harder. If they want to do that, I feel like we have to let them. But if families want to choose something better, why aren&#8217;t we helping them do that when we have the space? There&#8217;s plenty of slack in the system in this regard. There can be open seats at a better school and you have these kids who want to go there. Why not</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (17:36):</strong> Mm.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (17:54):</strong> fill those open seats and make for a more efficient system.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (17:57):</strong> Minnesota in 1989 said you can go to any public school. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re known for it. I don&#8217;t think people think, wow, I have to get to Minnesota, I can pick any public school. The idea was just that you pay your property taxes to a public school district, but your child could attend any public school. They did not see massive movement. I think if I remember correctly, in the early days, parents of children with IEPs would often shop around for what they believed to be the best school to serve that IEP. And parents in low-performing schools tried to move to higher-performing ones. But people who are born and grow up in Minnesota are just used to this idea. In Missouri it just seems so foreign that folks have a hard time accepting it. What about the money? Immediately people are like, what about the money? How will that ever work? If I&#8217;m paying my property taxes to have my kids in this school and somebody comes along who didn&#8217;t pay the property taxes, they can&#8217;t go there. I just find that to be frustrating.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (18:56):</strong> Yeah, we were going to talk about the money. The reason we didn&#8217;t end up talking about the money much is that the money through open enrollment flows through the kids. And there just weren&#8217;t big changes in enrollment, so it&#8217;s not going to change the money.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (19:06):</strong> The kids weren&#8217;t moving. Yeah. So, theoretically, when it comes to school choice, kids have the option of virtual public school open enrollment, private school choice through scholarships usually, and charter schools. What&#8217;s next for you? If open enrollment is sort of a meh, we have an ESA program that just seems to be growing in its own way. We&#8217;re up to ten to fifteen thousand kids.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (19:33):</strong> Yeah. The federal tax credit is what&#8217;s really giving that a boost.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (19:37):</strong> It could potentially explode it, yeah. We&#8217;re at like ten to fifteen thousand kids, I think. One to two percent, something like that. And charter schools, we have gotten nowhere in Missouri. Almost nowhere.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (19:48):</strong> Almost nowhere. We have them in Boone County now.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (19:52):</strong> Almost nowhere. I mean, honestly, not much further than twenty-five years ago when the law passed. It was Kansas City and St. Louis. It&#8217;s still pretty much Kansas City and St. Louis. Now we have Boone County, one school, but that&#8217;s something. What do you think can be done to convince Missourians that charter schools are something every family should be able to pick if they want to?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (20:17):</strong> Yeah, I feel like this is the biggest missed opportunity in Missouri right now. I say that partly because we have good evidence from national studies of charter school effectiveness that our charter schools are effective: kids learn more during the year in charter schools than if they go to the traditional public schools. They work. There are a lot of people who are against school choice fundamentally because of public dollars going to private providers. I&#8217;m not in that camp, but I understand the argument. But that&#8217;s not an argument against charter schools. Most charter schools are public schools. Why not have this higher-quality option that is also a public school and has to take everyone who applies? Why not have that option available for families where their zoned public school is not effective? It&#8217;s really hard for me to understand.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (21:03):</strong> Tell me why not. What do you get from folks? Because I&#8217;ve been in these committee hearings too, and the stuff I hear is like what you just said: they&#8217;re not public schools, they can turn kids away, they don&#8217;t have to take kids with special needs.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (21:17):</strong> Well, here in Columbia, where we have the new charter school and hopefully will get some more, the public school district is fighting really hard against it. Their argument is very vague, but it essentially comes down to the claim that the charter school is going to take money away from the traditional public school district and they won&#8217;t be able to educate children effectively anymore. That doesn&#8217;t make any sense because the charter school is educating those kids, and if the charter school is no good, no one has to sign up. No one gets forced to go there. If the traditional public school district is doing such a great job, no one will go to the charter school. It&#8217;s no big deal. The whole thing gets circular and frankly doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me. But it is kind of effective. There are a lot of people who quickly get into the circle-the-wagons mentality, that it&#8217;s the outsider enemy and we can&#8217;t have it. There&#8217;s certainly that sentiment around town here.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (22:10):</strong> Yeah, and similarly, they&#8217;re not ubiquitous everywhere, but there are many states where, you know, we had an employee from Minnesota who said, well, what do you mean you don&#8217;t pick your school, because she grew up in a state where charter schools had been around throughout the state. In some states, I think half of all charter schools are sponsored by local school boards. In some states, the state education agency charters all the charter schools, like Texas. They&#8217;re not seen as the enemy to keep out. It&#8217;s a portfolio approach. They&#8217;re just not seen as the bad guy the way they are in Missouri. Do you have a plan to help people understand why charter schools can be a good option? Where do we go? Do you go to the state board, the legislature, local school boards? I&#8217;ve had people reach out to me throughout the state saying, how come we don&#8217;t have charter schools? I&#8217;d love a classical charter school in Joplin, and I&#8217;m like, you have to start working on your local folks.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (23:12):</strong> Yeah, the resistance of our local school boards to charter schools is very strong and consistent. As you mentioned, nationally a lot of public school districts sponsor charter schools and approve them. I will say in places like California, they have that model and a lot of charter schools opened in cities when enrollment was growing. Then enrollment started falling and now the circle-the-wagons mentality comes back and the public school district says no more charters, we can&#8217;t let you take our</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (23:19):</strong> Yeah. Sure. Mm-hmm.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (23:45):</strong> students. So those pressures do come up in other places. In Missouri it&#8217;s kind of been a more stable, steady pressure against. My view is that the inability of local school boards to operationalize this tells me that the state charter school commission should be able to approve these charters statewide. That&#8217;s the solution to this.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (24:08):</strong> The state charter school commission. Mm-hmm.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (24:10):</strong> State Charter School Commission, thank you. They should be able to approve these charters statewide. That&#8217;s the solution to this.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (24:18):</strong> What we&#8217;ve talked about at the Show-Me Institute is, if you go to your local school board and they say no, you can appeal it and have the state charter school commission step in. I think that&#8217;s exactly right, and that would be a great model. We&#8217;ll see if it ever happens.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (24:33):</strong> Yeah, but why doesn&#8217;t it ever happen? The fact that it&#8217;s never happened makes me think that&#8217;s not a truly viable path.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (24:41):</strong> It&#8217;s not right now. It would have to change the law.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (24:44):</strong> So you&#8217;re saying you ask the local first. If they say no, then the state can step in. That&#8217;s the law you want, that&#8217;s how you want the law to change.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (24:47):</strong> Yes. I think so, because the local school board would figure, if we don&#8217;t do it, they&#8217;re going to do it. So maybe we want to control it. Because in a lot of places the local school board wants to have a handle on it. They are the sponsor, they review the performance every few years, and they have some control, and that&#8217;s why I think they do it. But in this case it would essentially be very similar to going straight to the commission. You go to the local school board first and give them the option. If they say no, then go to the commission. And the state charter school commission doesn&#8217;t approve every charter school either. They turn them down. What we&#8217;ve learned over the last three decades is that you need to start strong to stay strong. There&#8217;s no more get a storefront and fifteen kids and just be scrappy and make a go of it. You need a high-quality charter school. And Missouri, I should say, has had many charter schools closed.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (25:23):</strong> It&#8217;s hard to get approved.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (25:43):</strong> And that to me kind of proves the model. If you&#8217;re not performing well, you close. Well, we&#8217;re probably going to have to come back and talk about this some more, this charter school conundrum in Missouri. But for now, open enrollment, we don&#8217;t need to sweat it. And we&#8217;ll just cross our fingers for the 2027 legislative session. Thanks, Cory.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal"><strong>Cory Koedel (26:04):</strong> Yep. Thanks for having me.</p>
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<p>When Missouri and Kansas agreed to a border war truce in 2019, the agreement was widely celebrated as the end of an expensive and counterproductive competition.</p>
<p>After spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars moving jobs back and forth across State Line Road, both states agreed to stop subsidizing the relocation of existing employers within the Kansas City region.</p>
<p>The agreement, which consisted of legislation on the Missouri side (which sunset last year) and an executive order from the Kansas side, was a good idea. But <a href="https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/473615-is-the-missouri-kansas-border-war-truce-already-falling-apart/">I argued at the time</a> that Kansas Governor Laura Kelly’s executive order contained a glaring weakness. Specifically, I questioned how Kansas would define &#8220;net new jobs&#8221; and whether companies could continue receiving incentives by combining a relocation with a modest expansion.</p>
<p>Seven years later, Governor Kelly has provided the answer.</p>
<p>Defending Kansas&#8217;s $125 million incentive package for Lockton&#8217;s new headquarters in Leawood, <a href="https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/missouri/kansas-city/lockton-breaks-ground-on-new-headquarters-in-leawood-kansas-with-125m-in-tax-incentives">Kelly argued the deal does not violate the border war truce</a> because &#8220;We will not incentivize the move of current jobs. If a company is going to move and expand, we&#8217;ll talk.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is almost precisely the scenario I described in 2019: &#8220;Could a growing Missouri firm already planning to make a few new hires take that plan to Kansas and seek incentives—using those &#8216;net new jobs&#8217; as leverage?&#8221;</p>
<p>The company is expected to move roughly 1,500 existing jobs from Missouri to Kansas while adding approximately 500 new positions. Under Governor Kelly&#8217;s interpretation, those additional jobs are enough to distinguish the project from the type of incentive-fueled relocation the truce was intended to prevent.</p>
<p>But the transaction looks familiar. Thousands of jobs move across the state line. Taxpayers provide substantial subsidies. Public officials attend a groundbreaking and celebrate job creation.</p>
<p>The fundamental question is whether those additional jobs would have been created anyway. It is a difficult question to answer from the outside, yet the system incentivizes businesses to claim the growth is due to the incentive.</p>
<p>A real economic border war truce is worth crafting. But unfortunately, the 2019 truce isn’t that.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 19:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Birth rates have been declining in the United States for decades, and there is little indication that the trend will reverse anytime soon. This poses challenges for many of our institutions that were built on the implicit assumption of continued population growth. Social Security is the most prominent example. Because the program relies on taxes paid by current workers to fund benefits for retirees, it depends on a steady influx of younger workers. Social Security is in trouble, and its <a href="https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.html">day of reckoning is not far off</a>.</p>
<p>More quietly, schools across the United States are struggling with declining enrollment. After decades of needing more—more buildings, more teachers, more staff—we’re entering an era where we will need less of all these things.</p>
<p>In Missouri, public school enrollment has declined about 4 percent since the turn of the century. The decline has been even steeper in many urban areas.</p>
<p>The enrollment decline is not a temporary phenomenon. Demographic projections indicate the trend is likely to <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/economy/st-louis-demographics-and-the-future-of-the-region-with-ness-sandoval/">continue and, in many places, accelerate</a>. And unlike forecasts of the weather or stock market, demographic projections are highly reliable. We know what is coming.</p>
<p>Yet many districts continue to operate as if enrollment will rebound. This is understandable. School closures and staff reductions are politically difficult and often deeply unpopular. However, delaying these decisions does not change the underlying demographic reality.</p>
<p>Preparing for continued enrollment decline means consolidating and, in some cases, closing schools. It also means aligning staffing levels with student enrollment. With limited resources available for public education, maintaining excess capacity spreads those resources too thinly, undermining educational quality.</p>
<p>The demographic writing is on the wall. One way or another, our school system will need to respond. Districts that plan proactively for declining enrollment are likely to navigate the transition more successfully than those that postpone difficult decisions until circumstances leave them no choice.</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with <a href="https://www.aei.org/profile/timothy-p-carney/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Tim Carney, senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute</a>, about why American culture may be making it harder to have and raise children. They discuss the long-term consequences of the declining U.S. birth rate, how intensive parenting culture may be driving childhood anxiety, the &#8220;travel team trap&#8221; and the arms race of youth sports, what cities and communities can do to become more family-friendly, and more.</p>
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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Episode Transcript</strong></span></p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:00):</strong> I&#8217;m really looking forward to this conversation with Tim Carney. Thank you for joining us. You&#8217;re a senior fellow at AEI? I listened to a podcast the other day with a demographer from the University of Pennsylvania, and it was really good. I think they have a pretty strong department. He said that the United States reached peak child in 2012 or 2013, and basically</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (00:06):</strong> That&#8217;s about right.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (00:24):</strong> numbers have been going down on babies ever since. We definitely see that in Missouri. That was our biggest kindergarten cohort, and numbers are going down. I have five grandchildren under the age of five, and it seems to me this is going to be the policy conundrum of their generation. What do you think?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (00:44):</strong> It is certainly the biggest story of the next thirty years, policy, cultural, economic, everything. Another way of putting it: the number of births in the US peaked in 2007. Those kids born in 2007 either graduated last year or are graduating this week. Colleges know this very well. They&#8217;re all bracing for it. What about ten years from now when the workforce starts significantly shrinking?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (01:03):</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (01:11):</strong> What about the towns that are built around a public school, elementary school, middle school, high school, and those start shrinking? Particularly in rural places, they&#8217;re seeing consolidation, two different public schools or two different Catholic schools consolidating. Can schools adjust to being small? How much is this a self-reinforcing spiral? When there are fewer kids, people aren&#8217;t used to seeing kids around. Yes, absolutely. It&#8217;s the biggest story of the next thirty years.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (01:37):</strong> In your new book, Family Unfriendly, I think it&#8217;s interesting to juxtapose these two things. At the same time, we&#8217;re making it so much harder to raise kids in our culture, and we&#8217;ve raised the expectations for each and every one of them so high that people who are considering having kids find it daunting. It used to be, when I was young, people had six or seven kids and just hoped for the best. Everyone did okay. But now every child has these insane expectations, and I sympathize. If your child doesn&#8217;t roll over by six months old, they need occupational therapy now. That did not used to be the case. Doesn&#8217;t that work against it?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (02:12):</strong> Yes. A lot of economists have been praising quality over quantity parenting for years. Isabel Sawhill is an economist I&#8217;ve worked with for years, but I think she&#8217;s dead wrong when she says this is good, that people are choosing fewer kids so they can invest more in each one. That sounds right, but then you realize</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (02:33):</strong> Okay.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (02:53):</strong> the American Pediatrics journal says the number one cause of the epidemic of childhood anxiety we&#8217;re facing right now is lack of unsupervised play. So parents who are giving their kids the best of everything, making sure they&#8217;re not just wandering around the neighborhood, making sure they&#8217;re safe and busy with violin lessons and enrichment activities and a special private pitching coach for softball, that&#8217;s supposedly high-quality parenting. But it comes with low-quality results, which is very anxious kids, as well as stressed-out parents. People ask how my wife and I do it with six kids. I like giving answers about the special cool systems I have, but the real answer is a lot of times we just don&#8217;t.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (03:41):</strong> Yeah. I feel like I&#8217;m probably going to say a lot of unpopular opinions on this. I never liked elite sports or travel sports, but I see travel sports going nationwide now. People from Texas are going to Florida, going to California for travel sports, which I always thought was kind of insane because it didn&#8217;t work for my family. We would normally have tournaments at Fourth of July and Thanksgiving. I also see kids being absorbed into the adult world more. Craft breweries have children trying to find something to do there, which is not a very normal environment for them. High-end restaurants have little kids in them, and I just feel like that takes away from the time when they&#8217;re supposed to just be kids.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (04:28):</strong> I actually think mixed-age mingling is something we need more of. Sometimes when I need to get work done, I&#8217;ll go to the local craft brewery to get away from my kids, and then somebody else has all their kids there. But those kids aren&#8217;t asking me any favors, so I&#8217;m fine with it. I think it&#8217;s good that we&#8217;re building places for parents to bring kids. The way I put it, though, and again</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (04:35):</strong> Okay. Yeah. That&#8217;s right.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (04:58):</strong> my local brewpub allows for this, but we need places where parents can bring kids and ignore them. I brought my kids to the brewery on a cold winter day when they couldn&#8217;t be outside because it was ten degrees and forty-mile-an-hour winds. I start the book with a story, in contrast to</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (05:05):</strong> Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (05:27):</strong> high-intensity travel sports, of a program that we saw and then emulated in the Catholic parishes when we lived in Maryland, which was called Friday Night on the Field. There was T-ball and coach-pitch baseball, so this was kindergarten, first grade, second graders. Maybe 10 percent of the dads were coaching. The rest of them, if they were there, were hanging out with other dads. And the kids who were older</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (05:53):</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (05:56):</strong> were running around or playing wall ball. The kids who were younger were on a playground. When my wife found out what was going on there, she said, you are bringing all six of the kids to this while I stay home and rest. So I brought the kids there. I maybe had a baby in my carrier, ignoring the other four while one of them played T-ball. And that was exactly what suburban parents needed. Not this high-intensity mom and</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (06:08):</strong> Yeah, sure.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (06:22):</strong> child attached at the hip, but the whole family is there, it&#8217;s mixed age, and the children have freedom. This is a really important part of it in so many ways. One, that childhood is expansive and not just intensive. Two, that raising kids isn&#8217;t this hyper-intensive, constant thing. There was a commercial I cite in the book about Mother&#8217;s Day and how we need to honor mothers more. But it goes way overboard. It says they pretend they&#8217;re hiring for a job, and the requirements include you&#8217;re never allowed to sit down and you don&#8217;t get to eat meals until all of your colleagues are out for the evening. Being a mom is exhausting, and there are days where you don&#8217;t sit down, but come on. This is just not true.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (07:00):</strong> The hardest job in the world. Yeah. I have three kids that are pretty close together. It was rocky there for a while, but I wouldn&#8217;t trade it for anything. As a practical matter, how do you change culture? If the prescription is to back off on intensive parenting, it feels more like an arms race where people say, maybe I don&#8217;t even agree with it, but if every other kid is going to Kumon Math, my kid has to go to Kumon Math. What do you do?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (07:36):</strong> It&#8217;s a tragedy of the commons sort of thing. I discuss it particularly in sports. In chapter one I call it the travel team trap. The reason it&#8217;s a trap is you get stuck without wanting to. I know lots of people whose kid just wants to play JV baseball, but the coach says they have to play fall baseball too. But I&#8217;m a football player. If you&#8217;re saying I&#8217;ll miss some reps and the other guys might get ahead of me, well</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (07:57):</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (08:05):</strong> that&#8217;s one thing. But then the coach says you&#8217;re shirking if you&#8217;re not playing year round. We have sought out schools and programs that explicitly do not do that, but we had to seek them out. It&#8217;s harder to be a backup point guard on a varsity basketball team if you&#8217;re going to play three sports, so you might get cut from the team. To some extent the parent is just saying, I really just want them to make the team, and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m doing this.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">With the academics, there&#8217;s a similar dynamic. We put our daughter, who was struggling in math, in a remedial program, something like Kumon. When we showed up, we realized, this was in Northern Virginia, specifically McLean, which is a wealthy area. Nobody else there was remedial. Everyone else there was an A student whose parents wanted their third grader</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (08:52):</strong> I see. Okay.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (09:03):</strong> to be at the sixth-grade level so they could get into Thomas Jefferson, the special super-magnet high school.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (09:08):</strong> Yeah. If kindergarten is the new second grade and preschool is the new kindergarten, where does it end? I just feel like we&#8217;re overwhelming parents. You said it&#8217;s raising anxiety in kids. It&#8217;s definitely raising anxiety in parents too. It&#8217;s making people not want to be parents. It feels very stressful right now. There are books and apps, and there&#8217;s even a book on how to be a more free-range parent, which is strange to me. Does somebody need to be told how to do this? You just let them go outside.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (09:46):</strong> No, it does take work. And another thing is, to quote what a wise woman once said, it takes a village to raise a child. Being free-range is easier when other people are doing it. We used to back up to a big playground, and nine times out of ten my kids were the only ones there unsupervised. I actually got an email from a neighboring parent. It wasn&#8217;t criticism. It was saying your kids are great and it&#8217;s great that you let them run free, and asking if I could talk to them about letting their own kids run free. If you&#8217;re in a neighborhood where there are kids but they don&#8217;t come out, you might have to build organized activities. We didn&#8217;t do that growing up. We just played stickball. My mom wouldn&#8217;t organize it. We did it on our own. But now parents might have to be more involved. It&#8217;s a little bit of labor, but you connect the families, connect the kids, build the trust.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (10:19):</strong> Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (10:44):</strong> The community, and we talked about policy. I&#8217;m in DC. Everybody wants it to be a federal bill, this or that. The fact is it&#8217;s a cultural thing, as I said, and the community is going to have to have these organic, or sometimes deliberate and intentional, structures to help parents raise kids. The more parents who are walking around the neighborhood, the safer the neighborhood is. The more parents making it clear that their kids are going out and should come home when the streetlights turn on, the more that&#8217;s known, the safer it is. Remember when you and I were young, other people&#8217;s parents would correct us when we were wrong? Now, I have close friends I know I can do that with, but a lot of parents say they&#8217;re terrified of correcting someone else&#8217;s kid because they&#8217;ve been screamed at by the other parents. Your kid was</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (11:25):</strong> Mad at us. Yes.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (11:41):</strong> about to shove gravel down the throat of her two-year-old sister at the playground. And that&#8217;s my job too, if I&#8217;m right there. That social trust and community takes work. There are people who say it takes a village, and they can&#8217;t find their village. You have to build your village. I&#8217;m one of those conservatives who really believes that.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (11:54):</strong> Are we willing to do the work? Do you see people doing it?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (12:09):</strong> We&#8217;re too individualistic, and that&#8217;s part of all of this. But I&#8217;m also one who believes the burden is really on you. You can&#8217;t wait for somebody else to do it. You build the community, and then you can sit back and bear the fruits of your labor as a neighbor yells at your kid so you don&#8217;t have to.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (12:25):</strong> You&#8217;ve also talked about building family-friendly communities. There&#8217;s a conundrum we face in Missouri: no one wants to live in downtown St. Louis. A lot of cities face that, and St. Louis is probably at the forefront. We&#8217;re in the top five for cities in decline, and St. Louis and Pittsburgh are going to serve as examples, because</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (12:28):</strong> Yes. Mm-hmm.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (12:53):</strong> we hit that death spiral with more deaths than births a while ago, and all of our demographic trends are going to be out ahead of everyone else. People are going to look to us. But parents don&#8217;t want to raise their kids in the city of St. Louis. And if you don&#8217;t have children, you just keep getting older. Tell me a little bit about what has happened to make cities unfriendly to families and what they could do to change it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (13:19):</strong> I&#8217;m a believer that we need all of the above. I&#8217;m very pro-suburbs. That&#8217;s where I raised my kids, that&#8217;s where I went to high school. But before high school I grew up in Manhattan, and I&#8217;m very pro raising kids in cities if you can do it. The number one thing is crime, or crime and disorder. You saw this a lot during the 2020s when people would say, who cares if people are hopping over the turnstile, so what if people are smoking pot, that homeless guy sleeping on the corner isn&#8217;t going to do anything. All those little things that adults can, maybe they shouldn&#8217;t but can, turn a blind eye to are disturbing to kids and disturbing to parents. Crime and disorder needs to be put in its proper place.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">But then also, this is something where liberals tend to be better than conservatives: walkability and public amenities. I don&#8217;t mean my ability to walk to work or to my favorite cocktail bar. What I really mean is my ability to walk my baby in a stroller somewhere nice, and my eight-year-old and ten-year-old&#8217;s ability to walk together to a cool park, and more importantly to walk together to their friend&#8217;s house. Cities can actually do that better than suburbs to some extent, because they can put in those amenities, which are playgrounds, parks, and other things. That means traffic. Cars have to slow down. This is something I&#8217;m really studying now at AEI. The federal government has a walkability index, and it&#8217;s laughably bad. It&#8217;s published by the EPA, so it doesn&#8217;t actually show you</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (14:45):</strong> It&#8217;s about car exhaust.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (15:10):</strong> whether your kids can walk somewhere without getting run over by a car. We&#8217;re trying to see if there&#8217;s a way to improve this. That&#8217;s part of the built environment. That&#8217;s explicitly a government duty. Are the roads too wide? Are the cars too fast? Are there crosswalks? Are there trails? Because once you can let your kids walk around without getting run over by cars and without running into meth heads, their childhood is so much better. And your family life is so much simpler.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (15:41):</strong> What about safety? I think it was you mentioning something like setting up safety zones within which families could have some reasonable degree of comfort that police respond and that crime is being attended to.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (15:58):</strong> A big part of raising kids, in my view, is you want to give them a sort of walled garden and let them be free in that garden. Every year that garden gets bigger, and at some point you realize the walls are gone and they&#8217;re out in the world. For me, this was a back campus at St. Bernadette&#8217;s and St. Andrew&#8217;s, the parishes where we had these programs. The kids were running free, but unless there was a kid who was going to run into traffic, and there are those kids, and probably some of your viewers and listeners have one who they know is a flight risk, in general they were going to be safe. When I would leave my kids alone in a museum, I tell the story of my son Sean, who three times I&#8217;ve totally lost him, but it was always in a botanical garden or a museum or someplace similar,</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (16:33):</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (16:55):</strong> where someone would say, hey, who are you with, four-year-old? And then slowly expanding that realm of freedom. You can walk around the neighborhood but can&#8217;t cross over Route 50, and then slowly it gets bigger and bigger. Community norms are really what make that possible. That two-year-old shouldn&#8217;t be walking down the street alone. That six-year-old is fine.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (16:57):</strong> Yeah. Who are you with? But haven&#8217;t we kind of ruined that with the twenty-four-hour news cycle where everybody believes their children are at risk of being abducted by a stranger at every moment?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (17:35):</strong> Yes, and this is part of the problem I run into. When I say we need to let kids be free to run around like we Gen Xers were, people say it&#8217;s so much more dangerous now. It&#8217;s not. Statistically, almost the whole country has gotten over the violent crime wave that came with the George Floyd unrest and COVID lockdowns. That caused a spike in all the cities, and every place in the country right now is much, much safer than it was in 1984 when I was six. By a long shot. Every parent&#8217;s worst nightmare is their child getting abducted by a stranger. These cases happen, they end up in the news, and so we all think they&#8217;re happening all the time and all around us. Evolutionarily, we don&#8217;t have a brain that can understand a country of 340 million people.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (18:08):</strong> Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (18:32):</strong> So if there are three major cases a year and people talk about it for a few weeks, it seems like there&#8217;s some kid who got kidnapped half the year. It happens fewer than a hundred times a year. If you see numbers saying children are abducted ten thousand or a hundred thousand times, those are bad situations, but they&#8217;re not stranger abductions. In almost every case, the boyfriend goes off with the kid without the mom&#8217;s permission, or the grandparents have custody and then the mom comes and takes the kid. These are not good situations, but they&#8217;re not a kid who was left alone at a playground and then shoved in the back of a white van.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (19:20):</strong> To the extent that we could bring any of that back, and this is where I&#8217;m a little pessimistic, I think kids learn decision-making in a way that isn&#8217;t being taught now, so that we end up working with people who never made an independent decision in their life. I certainly was out and got hurt and had to figure out: am I hurt enough to go home? Am I hurt enough to keep going?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (19:37):</strong> Ask a boss who has hired somebody right out of college recently. Yes.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (19:45):</strong> Got a flat tire or whatever, we had to make decisions on the fly. I just don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re building that type of independence and resilience into our kids, and it&#8217;s a loss at the global level.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (19:58):</strong> Absolutely. Employers should all really be getting behind what you and I are saying right now, because if they want to hire a kid out of high school or college who can make a decision. I always remember the time I used to mow lawns in high school. Once I showed up at a lawn across town, used his mower, and it just didn&#8217;t start.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (20:05):</strong> Yes.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (20:21):</strong> He was not home. He had a number on the fridge. I called and said, Mr. Zellinger, your mower&#8217;s not starting. And he said, good news is I don&#8217;t come home until Monday. So you have between now and then to get the lawn mowed, and I&#8217;m confident you&#8217;ll figure out a way to do it. It wasn&#8217;t an assignment. It was a responsibility. The best way to give your kids a responsibility that&#8217;s not an assignment they can just beg out of is to let them be free. And all of a sudden they&#8217;re like, wait a second.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (20:40):</strong> Yes. Right.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (20:51):</strong> I need to be there in twenty minutes. How do I make that happen? Or I&#8217;m lost, how do I get unlost? And again, the children suffer. It&#8217;s not just that they go through life happy and dumb. They end up more anxious because life will inevitably bring them these problems. There is an epidemic of childhood and adolescent anxiety, according to</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (20:56):</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (21:19):</strong> HHS, and it&#8217;s caused by the fact that kids don&#8217;t have enough freedom in childhood.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (21:29):</strong> I want to circle back to actionable items. What can we do about it, realistically?</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (21:33):</strong> On the parental freedom side, there&#8217;s not that much the government can do except build better sidewalks, crosswalks, and pathways. Housing reform is interesting here. I&#8217;m a big believer in suburbs, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they can&#8217;t be more dense. One thing that&#8217;s really freeing is when you can buy a house in the neighborhood you want to live in,</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (22:01):</strong> Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (22:01):</strong> because your mom lives there and you have grandma to babysit. That&#8217;s a huge predictor. So many people in Washington think everybody needs universal daycare paid for by the government. Most people want mom to work a little less and grandma and grandpa to chip in, with neighbors to fill the gaps. More housing is what enables that to happen. But for the most part, we need more robust community institutions and more robust community connections. And every parent out there has to think: maybe I&#8217;m going to be the one who does this. There&#8217;s a field across the street from your house. Start a soccer league, bring food, run a grill. This is exactly what we did with T-ball. Throw in some money to pay for it. Buy the burgers at Sam&#8217;s Club or Costco and feed everyone. Bring your six-year-old to play soccer. This is not his or her path to a college scholarship. It&#8217;s a fun thing for the families to do. But you have to start it. We started it because we saw somebody else had started it. A lot of this is going to be on an individual level. On the policy side of supporting families, there&#8217;s a lot of debate about a child tax credit, a baby bonus, universal child care, and requiring employers to give parents parental leave.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (22:58):</strong> Yeah. A lot. Leave.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (23:22):</strong> I write about that a lot at AEI. AEI scholars disagree about it. In the book, what I argue is we need a child tax credit, and it needs to be a little bigger. A family of eight making a hundred thousand dollars should not be paying the same taxes as a family of two or three making a hundred thousand dollars. That should be reflected in the tax code, because this isn&#8217;t just some consumer thing. It&#8217;s not like saying, I bought a Tesla, I deserve a tax credit. It&#8217;s saying, we&#8217;re eight people, we need to eat eight people&#8217;s worth of food, and the tax code should reflect that. But on the other programs, forcing employers to offer certain benefits or creating government-run childcare, I don&#8217;t think any of that works.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (24:02):</strong> I mean, the Nordic countries do all of it and they have population decline.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (24:05):</strong> They have worse population decline than we did. There was a slight uptick, and one of the arguments I make is that subsidized childcare is not really a family subsidy, it&#8217;s a work subsidy. Notice who&#8217;s lobbying for it as these things bubble up. It&#8217;s going to be the Chamber of Commerce. I&#8217;m fundamentally a family guy. I think we need work. Part of fulfilling our human dignity is doing work. But that doesn&#8217;t always have to be paid work. In the book I defend stay-at-home moms and dads. I really think our society should be oriented around families. Now that&#8217;s a little heretical these days because, well, what if you choose not to have a family? Fine. There have always been people who chose not to have families. But that doesn&#8217;t mean families can&#8217;t be the central organizing principle of our culture.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (25:04):</strong> More people now are choosing not to have families. And a lot of cities are pursuing those people, the childless professionals with Top Golfs and loft apartments.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (25:10):</strong> I quote a local official in Family Unfriendly saying families are a cost and businesses are an asset. Families come in, they pay income taxes and property taxes, but then they require sewage, they require schools, they complain that the playgrounds and the sidewalks are in bad shape. Businesses are mostly revenue. Washington, DC has explicitly said they don&#8217;t just want anyone to move in. They want the college-educated 22-to-28-year-old, meaning a person who gets to spend every dime of disposable income in the restaurants and bars and shops in DC. And if you look at the housing being built in Falls Church, right near me, it&#8217;s all studio and one bedroom, because that&#8217;s what the local government wants: more singletons who go out and spend their money. Sometimes we do things that are really bad for the economy. My wife makes homemade dinner. We almost never go out. A lot of our activity doesn&#8217;t involve paying anyone. The kids are just playing wiffle ball. All of that is horrible for the economy.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (26:19):</strong> Yeah. Falls Church used to be such a big attraction for young families because of the schools. I&#8217;ve seen the shiny buildings going up recently, and I&#8217;m shocked by it. That&#8217;s interesting to me.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (26:44):</strong> I think it&#8217;s good to build more housing. But if it helps boomers sell their single-family homes to move into apartments, then it frees up family housing. This is a really complicated thing. We need more housing, but so many of the YIMBYs just want massive apartment buildings with as many apartments as possible, and that&#8217;s family unfriendly. What we really need, in my opinion, is slightly more dense suburbs,</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (26:54):</strong> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (27:14):</strong> a starter home that somebody can buy. That&#8217;s basically impossible to build, especially in a high-cost area like this, or in the nicer suburbs around St. Louis and Kansas City. You&#8217;re not going to build them because of the regulatory overhead. If I build a single-family house and sell it for two hundred thousand dollars, that&#8217;s not worth it. I&#8217;m either going to build a McMansion or an apartment building.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (27:26):</strong> They&#8217;re not building them. No. They&#8217;re doing the six hundreds. Yeah.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (27:41):</strong> Getting rid of a lot of the regulations that make it impossible to build a starter home is one of the best things that states and counties can do.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (27:49):</strong> I really appreciate you coming on to talk about it. It&#8217;s a thorny issue. Countries that have really tried their best to encourage people to have more children haven&#8217;t been successful. This is going to be one of the biggest policy conundrums of the next few decades. The earlier we start talking about it, the better. I&#8217;ve been talking about it for at least five years in Missouri. We just had our smallest high school graduating class two years ago. People ask, where did the people go? They didn&#8217;t go anywhere. The babies haven&#8217;t been born, and we need to get used to it so that we can start thinking about how to solve it. I love a lot of your ideas. We have to think about solutions to this because if it feels overwhelming to have children, then people won&#8217;t have them.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (28:41):</strong> That&#8217;s exactly right.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (28:42):</strong> Family Unfriendly. And your other book was Alienated America.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (28:44):</strong> Family Unfriendly. And Alienated America, which is about the collapse of community, which is upstream from this problem.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Susan Pendergrass (28:53):</strong> Lack of social capital and all of that. I think these are going to be some of the most important issues we can think about going forward. I really appreciate you coming on to talk about it.</p>
<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]"><strong>Tim Carney (29:00):</strong> Thank you, my pleasure.</p>
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<p>Life comes at you in waves. You graduate high school, watch friends start careers, get married, and have kids. Then social media shows you their children repeating the cycle. As a member of the Pacific High School Class of 1999, I didn’t expect to reach the retirement wave so soon.</p>
<p>Yet a recent post stopped me: a high school classmate, still in his mid-40s, announced his retirement after 25 years in Missouri public schools. Most recently a principal earning roughly $130,000 per year, he is now eligible for approximately $71,500 in annual (with cost-of-living adjustments) pension benefits for the rest of his life. He can also continue working and earning additional income.</p>
<p>He is retiring at exactly the age when most professionals hit their career peak—when experience, leadership, and judgment are most valuable. And that’s the problem.</p>
<p>Missouri’s Public School Retirement System (PSRS) is pushing talented educators out of the classroom at the very moment students and schools need them most. This isn’t just a fiscal issue. It’s a direct loss to Missouri’s school children.</p>
<p>My classmate is doing exactly what the system incentivizes him to do. The “25-and-Out” provision hands him a guaranteed lifetime annuity worth over $3 million in today’s dollars. He’d be foolish not to take it. But Missouri schools are left without a proven leader right when his institutional knowledge and expertise could have the greatest impact.</p>
<p>This is the perverse reality of the current defined-benefit system. It encourages strong teachers and administrators to leave mid-career, creating turnover, knowledge gaps, and disruption for students. Districts then spend time and money searching for replacements, often settling for less experienced candidates.</p>
<p>Reform is long overdue. What could Missouri do?</p>
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<li>Raise the minimum age or service requirements for unreduced early retirement.</li>
<li>Adjust benefit formulas for new hires to match longer careers and lifespans.</li>
<li>Offer new employees a hybrid or defined-contribution plan with portability and shared risk.</li>
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<p>Current retirees and vested members should be protected. But going forward, incentives should align with what’s best for students. Competitive benefits matter, but not at the expense of keeping great educators in our schools during their most productive years.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/education/life-comes-at-you-in-waves-and-sometimes-it-brings-early-retirement/">Life Comes at You in Waves—And Sometimes It Brings Early Retirement</a> appeared first on <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org">Show-Me Institute</a>.</p>
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		<title>Missouri&#8217;s Path to Eliminating the Income Tax with Elias Tsapelas</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2026 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The post <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/article/economy/missouris-path-to-eliminating-the-income-tax-with-elias-tsapelas/">Missouri&#8217;s Path to Eliminating the Income Tax with Elias Tsapelas</a> appeared first on <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org">Show-Me Institute</a>.</p>
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