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		<title>This Is Why Missouri Families Need Choice</title>
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<p>At the Show-Me Institute, we spend a lot of time analyzing the systemic, high-level benefits of educational freedom—how it spurs competition, how it affects state funding formulas, and how it drives long-term accountability. But sometimes, it is important to look past the research and focus on the immediate, practical reality confronting parents.</p>
<p>Why do families need school choice? The answer is straightforward—a single, zip-code-assigned school cannot possibly be everything to every child. And when a school fails a student, that student needs a lifeline. A <a href="https://informedchoice1996.substack.com/p/what-motivates-school-switchers?utm_source=post-email-title&amp;publication_id=3830976&amp;post_id=201714736&amp;utm_campaign=email-post-title&amp;isFreemail=false&amp;r=1s9ij5&amp;triedRedirect=true&amp;utm_medium=email">recent iteration</a> of EdChoice’s long-running Public Opinion Tracker survey shows that roughly one in four parents indicate that they have had to switch their children’s school at some point.</p>
<p>When you dig into why these families are switching, the reasons are straightforward. Parents pull their children out of schools because of unfortunate, everyday problems that directly impact a child’s well-being and future.</p>
<p>The four most common reasons parents choose to leave a school are:</p>
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<li><strong>Academic needs not being met:</strong> The child is either falling behind without support or completely unchallenged by a rigid, one-size-fits-all curriculum.</li>
<li><strong>Bullying:</strong> The learning environment has become unsafe, hostile, or emotionally damaging.</li>
<li><strong>Difficulty with teachers:</strong> Friction or a lack of connection with educators that derails the learning process.</li>
<li><strong>Excessive stress or anxiety:</strong> The school environment actively harms the child’s mental and emotional health.</li>
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<p>As a parent of three children who had no publicly funded choice, I have witnessed or experienced all of these. Missouri families who face these issues have very few options. If you have the financial means, you can pay private school tuition out of pocket or pack up and move to a different neighborhood. But if you are a lower-income or working-class family in Missouri, you are trapped unless you live near a charter school in St. Louis, Kansas City, or maybe one day Boone County (charter schools are now authorized to open there, but none have yet). Many families have to watch their children suffer through chronic anxiety, falling grades, or safety concerns because an arbitrary residential boundary says there is no other choice.</p>
<p>This is precisely why educational choice is so vital. It isn’t about dismantling public education. All parents need some form of agency when their children&#8217;s current school simply isn&#8217;t working. When a child is facing bullying or their academic needs are being completely ignored, a family cannot afford to wait five or ten years for the school to change. They need an option <em>right now</em>.</p>
<p>The national data show that school switching is a normal, healthy mechanism for families trying to optimize their children&#8217;s upbringing. It’s time to ensure that every single family in Missouri, regardless of income, has the flexibility to make that switch when their children’s future depends on it.</p>
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		<title>The Six Words Driving the Education Debate in 2026 With Mike McShane</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with Mike McShane, director of national research at EdChoice and contributor to the Informed Choice Substack, to discuss his piece, “The Six Words Driving the Education Debate [&#8230;]</p>
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Susan Pendergrass speaks with <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/team-member/michael-mcshane/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Mike McShane, director of national research at EdChoice</a> and contributor to the Informed Choice Substack, to discuss his piece, <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/the-six-words-driving-the-education-debate-in-2026/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">“The Six Words Driving the Education Debate in 2026</a>.” They explore why the school choice conversation has shifted from whether it should exist to what it should look like, how debates over “transparency” and “accountability” are shaping political strategy, and why participation in choice programs changes over time. They also discuss the influence of “rage bait” on public perception, the emerging risks of AI-generated “slop” in schools, and how the “supply side” of education, from micro schools to new learning providers, may determine whether expanded choice truly meets families’ needs, and more.</p>
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<p data-start="0" data-end="399">Susan Pendergrass (00:00)<br data-start="25" data-end="28" />Great. Mike McShane, EdChoice, always great to have you on the podcast. I read your Substack, <em data-start="122" data-end="139">Informed Choice</em>. I know you do not write them all, but you write a lot of them, and I think they are super interesting. A month or so ago, there was a lot of “what’s out, what’s in,” closing down 2025 and starting 2026. I really liked your post about six words for 2026, but…</p>
<p data-start="401" data-end="486">Mike McShane (00:03)<br data-start="421" data-end="424" />Always great to be with you. Thanks for having me. I tried to.</p>
<p data-start="488" data-end="960">Susan Pendergrass (00:28)<br data-start="513" data-end="516" />I want to talk about that, but generally speaking, I have been having this feeling, and I think we have even talked about this on the podcast, that something has changed in K–12 education in the United States. Something seems different than it did. You track the number of kids in private school choice programs, which took forever to get to a million, and now it is like a million and a half, right? It just seems to have been growing so fast.</p>
<p data-start="962" data-end="1383">Mike McShane (00:52)<br data-start="982" data-end="985" />Yeah. I think there has definitely been a shift. I have noticed that, with the start of the year and legislative sessions starting across the country, I am talking to journalists and other folks, and it seems like the normal conversation I would have had in the past was, “Are we going to have these programs, is there going to be choice, or what?” Now it is, “What is the shape of it going to be?”</p>
<p data-start="1385" data-end="1870">So much of choice now is being taken as a given. I think we are even seeing that within public school districts. Even in states that might not have private school choice or robust charter schools, they are at least saying, “Parents are going to need to have choice, and maybe we can keep the genie in the bottle by just having it within public school districts, or in between public school districts.” But the idea that we are going to go back to residentially assigned public schools…</p>
<p data-start="1872" data-end="1912">Susan Pendergrass (01:41)<br data-start="1897" data-end="1900" />Like Kansas.</p>
<p data-start="1914" data-end="2169">Mike McShane (01:50)<br data-start="1934" data-end="1937" />…with the odd aberration here and there, it just seems like that shift has happened. Now it is a question of what it is going to look like, and it is going to look different in different states. It is not a “whether,” it is a “how.”</p>
<p data-start="2171" data-end="2389">Susan Pendergrass (02:03)<br data-start="2196" data-end="2199" />That’s right, because we have a whole bunch of second-generation choosers, right? We have parents of young kids whose parents chose it, so they are not, like you said, going to go backwards.</p>
<p data-start="2391" data-end="2713">Another interesting outcome you have talked about over the years is that the Catholic school movement is growing again, right? Like in Florida, we are seeing a resurgence in Catholic schools, and in Iowa, because parents did not necessarily not want to send their kids to Catholic schools. Some got mad about the scandals…</p>
<p data-start="2715" data-end="2825">Mike McShane (02:05)<br data-start="2735" data-end="2738" />Yeah, for sure. Iowa, Florida, and probably other places when data comes out, for sure.</p>
<p data-start="2827" data-end="3183">Susan Pendergrass (02:32)<br data-start="2852" data-end="2855" />…or they did not want to pay tuition, and now they can. And certainly this survey you all have done for so long, on where parents would send their kids to school versus where they do send their kids to school, maybe we are going to see some sort of convergence where parents can actually send their kids to the school they want.</p>
<p data-start="3185" data-end="3302">A couple of the words you said are going to be big in education in 2026, “participants,” is that right? Participants.</p>
<p data-start="3304" data-end="3384">Mike McShane (02:34)<br data-start="3324" data-end="3327" />Yeah. Totally, absolutely. “Participants” is one of them.</p>
<p data-start="3386" data-end="3468">Susan Pendergrass (03:02)<br data-start="3411" data-end="3414" />And “supply side.” What do you mean by “participants”?</p>
<p data-start="3470" data-end="3847">Mike McShane (03:06)<br data-start="3490" data-end="3493" />“Participants” is, there is this big debate now, and in the piece I started with very general words that are part of the broader conversation, and then I got very narrow into school choice research words. “Participants” is kind of a school choice research word, but not entirely. I think it is going to be part of broader debates about choice in general.</p>
<p data-start="3849" data-end="4144">There is a big question out there, who uses these programs? Who is going to participate? There are competing theories. Skeptics say it is going to be all rich kids, or kids who are already in private schools. Stronger advocates say it will be low-income kids, or kids desperate for more options.</p>
<p data-start="4146" data-end="4480">The answer is probably somewhere in the middle, and it will probably be different in different places at different times. Some of the emerging research suggests that when universal private school choice programs first start, for reasons that are perfectly predictable, students who are already in private schools are the first movers.</p>
<p data-start="4482" data-end="4515">Susan Pendergrass (04:01)<br data-start="4507" data-end="4510" />Sure.</p>
<p data-start="4517" data-end="4785">Mike McShane (04:28)<br data-start="4537" data-end="4540" />That is probably because private schools find out about these programs and have an audience. They can say, “Hey, you all know how you are paying to go here? Now you do not have to do that anymore.” And then over time, the circle expands outward.</p>
<p data-start="4787" data-end="4893">Susan Pendergrass (04:33)<br data-start="4812" data-end="4815" />They pass out a piece of paper in every backpack, yeah. “You should get this.”</p>
<p data-start="4895" data-end="5195">Mike McShane (04:48)<br data-start="4915" data-end="4918" />More and more, those families have neighbors, cousins, and people they play YMCA basketball with. The word gets out over time. A lot of traditional channels for educating people do not work as well. It is not like everyone watches the nightly news or reads the local newspaper.</p>
<p data-start="5197" data-end="5314">Susan Pendergrass (05:08)<br data-start="5222" data-end="5225" />“Put it on your website.” That’s a Missouri legislative mainstay, put it on your website.</p>
<p data-start="5316" data-end="5472">Mike McShane (05:14)<br data-start="5336" data-end="5339" />So a lot of this comes out via word of mouth or discussions. You could look at the same state and see participation change over time.</p>
<p data-start="5474" data-end="5944">Because these programs are rolling out in different states at different times, there is not going to be one national answer to who is participating. It could be the first year in Mississippi, but the second year in Alabama, and the makeup of students will be different. Because of the nationalized nature of coverage, people will keep pushing for “the one answer,” but there isn’t one. Though, to be fair, some people will say there is. I do not think that will be true.</p>
<p data-start="5946" data-end="6205">Susan Pendergrass (06:07)<br data-start="5971" data-end="5974" />Yeah, I get a ton of questions around the rural issue. Either it is going to be the demise of our rural school system because we are all going to close, or rural families do not need it, which are opposites. It is opposites, right?</p>
<p data-start="6207" data-end="6316">Mike McShane (06:09)<br data-start="6227" data-end="6230" />Yeah. It cannot be both. And yet a frequent criticism is that it will be both of them.</p>
<p data-start="6318" data-end="6468">Susan Pendergrass (06:25)<br data-start="6343" data-end="6346" />But I get that a lot. “There are no private schools for them to go to,” and “it is going to cause rural schools to close.”</p>
<p data-start="6470" data-end="6926">Certainly in Missouri, even our MOScholars program is quite small, and we do not really have charter schools outside of two districts, two very far away places. So I think for a lot of folks in Missouri, it is mysterious, who would do this, and why would anyone want it? And of course, “All the poor kids are going to go to the wealthy school districts.” Still a lot of talk about property taxes. It is almost like 2005 in Missouri, a lot of that going on.</p>
<p data-start="6928" data-end="7232">But the reality is, in long-running programs, and now I am thinking open enrollment, anywhere you let parents pick, you get a lot of rural participation. They have the fewest choices, right? And you get a lot of urban participation, and some suburban participation. Like you said, I do not think you can…</p>
<p data-start="7234" data-end="7269">Mike McShane (06:55)<br data-start="7254" data-end="7257" />Yeah, right.</p>
<p data-start="7271" data-end="7730">Susan Pendergrass (07:20)<br data-start="7296" data-end="7299" />I have had so many parents over the years say, “We do not need that here because all our schools are good.” And I am like, I promise you there is a child who got on the bus with a stomach ache this morning because they did not want to go to school, for whatever reason. They think the teachers do not like them, or they are being bullied, whatever it is. I promise you there are families who would leave if they could easily do it.</p>
<p data-start="7732" data-end="7779">Mike McShane (07:30)<br data-start="7752" data-end="7755" />Yeah, for sure. Totally.</p>
<p data-start="7781" data-end="8258">One thing that is going to be interesting, as we watch this play out, with questions about who is participating and who is leaving public schools, is that there are broader trends of public school enrollment decreasing. You hear in some states, “My gosh, all these public schools are closing because of choice programs.” But the state next door that does not have a choice program, their public schools are closing too, because there are just fewer kids than there were before.</p>
<p data-start="8260" data-end="8483">So that is another thing we have to disentangle, the broader population trends. I was just seeing something earlier about how congressional seats and electoral college seats are going to change because of population shifts.</p>
<p data-start="8485" data-end="8523">Susan Pendergrass (08:17)<br data-start="8510" data-end="8513" />It’s huge.</p>
<p data-start="8525" data-end="8925">Mike McShane (08:26)<br data-start="8545" data-end="8548" />You look at states like New York and California losing large numbers of people, Florida and Texas increasing numbers of people. These are people in general, because that is how it all happens. We have to start with that baseline and then layer these other things on top, because I feel like school choice is going to get blamed for this, even in places where it does not exist.</p>
<p data-start="8927" data-end="9324">Susan Pendergrass (08:36)<br data-start="8952" data-end="8955" />Yeah. I cannot tell you how many times I have talked about this and shocked people. Every school district in St. Louis County, for example, has declining enrollment by large numbers. Clayton’s declining enrollment, Ladue declining enrollment, all declining enrollment. People are like, “Where are they going?” And I say, “They were not born.” They simply were not born.</p>
<p data-start="9326" data-end="9492">We had our biggest kindergarten cohort in 2013. That moved through to senior year of high school like two years ago. It is just demographics. They just were not born.</p>
<p data-start="9494" data-end="9529">Mike McShane (09:00)<br data-start="9514" data-end="9517" />Right? Yeah.</p>
<p data-start="9531" data-end="9702">Susan Pendergrass (09:20)<br data-start="9556" data-end="9559" />We have net out-migration of some groups of people, people with bachelor’s degrees, but for sure, it is demographics. These kids were not born.</p>
<p data-start="9704" data-end="9942">There is going to be this push and pull between five-to-seventeen-year-olds and retirees, basically, because we are getting more old people and fewer young people. Do we build a school or a nursing home? I think it is going to be a thing.</p>
<p data-start="9944" data-end="10448">And we still have school districts getting bonds, 30-year bonds, to build schools and buy buses. I do not know if that is the right answer. At least the charter school sector, and probably similarly the private school sector, figured out how to not be in the real estate business, how to lease a building, or do different types of arrangements. They are going to benefit from this, while the public school system is still building schools. The kids are not being born, but we will see how that plays out.</p>
<p data-start="10450" data-end="10701">Another thing you mentioned, one of your words I have been thinking about a lot, two of them, is “transparency.” I have wondered, can I start calling accountability transparency? Because accountability is kind of negative, but transparency, of course.</p>
<p data-start="10703" data-end="11145">And you talk about “rage bait.” Sorry, I am rolling these into one, but with early media stories around some of these private school choice programs, like Arizona, people really jumped on what parents were spending their money on. As though they cannot be trusted to spend this money, in the way the public school system can be trusted with billions, I mean trillions, of dollars. Parents cannot be trusted with this $8,000, they will simply…</p>
<p data-start="11147" data-end="11401">Mike McShane (10:52)<br data-start="11167" data-end="11170" />Totally. This is the irony. The irony is kind of like the discussion earlier, how there are no places in rural America, and everyone will leave rural schools to go to these non-existent places. Both cannot be true at the same time.</p>
<p data-start="11403" data-end="11673">We cannot say these programs are not transparent and then talk about all the individual purchases families are making. That has to be transparent for you to be able to make those arguments. It is kind of a shell game people are playing when they talk about transparency.</p>
<p data-start="11675" data-end="11921">When you say, “Here are ways in which ESA programs are not transparent,” your research is a perfect example of the opposite. Transaction-level data, you have published papers that offer transaction-level data on every purchase in the ESA program.</p>
<p data-start="11923" data-end="12004">Susan Pendergrass (11:59)<br data-start="11948" data-end="11951" />Trust me, there are hundreds of thousands of records.</p>
<p data-start="12006" data-end="12111">Mike McShane (12:00)<br data-start="12026" data-end="12029" />Right, hundreds of thousands of records that are available for anybody to look at.</p>
<p data-start="12113" data-end="12391">I think this is actually good. We need to have discussions about what should be included in these programs and what should not. It is an education savings account, not just a savings account, so we have to draw the borders around what is an educational purchase and what is not.</p>
<p data-start="12393" data-end="12643">We live in a big, vibrant democracy, so we need to have these discussions. Should you be able to buy a trampoline, or a Lego set, or whatever? Let’s talk about it. That’s fine. Maybe we decide in some cases it is allowed, and in some cases it is not.</p>
<p data-start="12645" data-end="12761">This is part of transparency and accountability. You are democratically accountable, we need to participate in this.</p>
<p data-start="12763" data-end="13102">But I am still blown away by the number of people who claim these programs are not transparent, when what we know about what parents are doing is more granular and more detailed than any public school district, any charter school network, almost any institution you are going to see. You just do not get transaction-level data on anything.</p>
<p data-start="13104" data-end="13230">We can debate whether those are good purchases or not good purchases, but to say they are not being transparent is wild to me.</p>
<p data-start="13232" data-end="13531">Susan Pendergrass (13:09)<br data-start="13257" data-end="13260" />No, I mean, my kids all went to public school. They certainly went to amusement parks. They certainly watched a lot of movies. They would not want anyone scrutinizing every, you know, you have 30 teachers buying 30 whiteboards. Decisions were made that were not the best.</p>
<p data-start="13533" data-end="13753">I did not see anything in the transaction-level data that made me think, “This is outrageous.” And who am I to say woodworking is not an okay thing for your child to learn? Swimming lessons, I had to swim. I do not know.</p>
<p data-start="13755" data-end="14078">I do not want to get into that conversation because I assume the best intentions for parents. I cannot understand why a parent would invest the time and effort to get into these programs to simply buy themselves a trampoline, and not really care if their kids are reading or not. I do not understand that, but that is what…</p>
<p data-start="14080" data-end="14109">Mike McShane (14:04)<br data-start="14100" data-end="14103" />Right.</p>
<p data-start="14111" data-end="14228">Susan Pendergrass (14:15)<br data-start="14136" data-end="14139" />…they are throwing mud at the wall to try to discredit. Clearly, it is what parents want.</p>
<p data-start="14230" data-end="14408">I am baffled that, when you look at politics in the United States right now, those on the left just refuse to accept this fact. It is a fact. Parents want to choose their school.</p>
<p data-start="14410" data-end="14846">There are certainly Democrats for education reform, and plenty of people working hard from the left, but the general approach feels very last century. The teachers’ union saying, “Nobody wants this, we have to stop it at all costs. We have to put a halt to this and put more money into the public school your address sends you to. We need to fund those fully first before we can ever let kids out.” That is such a failed argument to me.</p>
<p data-start="14848" data-end="15153">Mike McShane (15:18)<br data-start="14868" data-end="14871" />Look, this is why “accountability” and “transparency” are two of the words for 2026. Opponents to choice have figured out they cannot just go out hammer-and-tongs against it, or directly say, “We are against choice.” People do not learn lessons in politics, but they learn that one.</p>
<p data-start="15155" data-end="15699">I was looking at the gubernatorial candidate just to Missouri’s north in Iowa. It was interesting. There was an interview with the Democratic candidate for governor, Rob Sand. He would not come out and condemn the ESA program outright. The interviewer perceptively drilled down and asked, “Are you saying you are not opposed to this program, you just want changes?” He never said yes to that. He has never said, “I am for this program.” If you read between the lines, he is saying, “I am not for this program, but I cannot come out and say it.”</p>
<p data-start="15701" data-end="15919">His pivot was immediately, “I am just talking about accountability and transparency.” He wants private schools to follow every single one of the same rules that public schools do, and expects them to somehow do better.</p>
<p data-start="15921" data-end="16209">Part of it is, these are folks working in red states who need to make arguments that appeal to conservatives. Accountability appeals to conservatives. Fiscal responsibility appeals to conservatives, not wanting to waste tax dollars. So it is smart strategy. People need to see what it is.</p>
<p data-start="16211" data-end="16492">If this is a blue state, these exact same people are making arguments that appeal to progressives. But you are in a red state, so they are trying to make arguments that appeal to you. If you think about it for a little bit longer, what they are saying does not hold a lot of water.</p>
<p data-start="16494" data-end="16892">Susan Pendergrass (17:41)<br data-start="16519" data-end="16522" />Yeah, and with this federal tax credit program, even though every state has to decide whether or not they are going to take the money, it is going to be a weird shifting of resources. If I live in a state that says, “We are not going to take the money,” that is fine. I can give my $1,700 to a scholarship group in any state. I will just send my $1,700 to another state.</p>
<p data-start="16894" data-end="17260">Some states, like Virginia, the governor, one of the last things he did when he left was opt in. Now the new governor is going to have to make this weird choice. Do I want to go against it? If you looked at any poll of parents, any poll, you would know they want to be able to choose where their kids go to school. Do you really want to be the person that withdraws?</p>
<p data-start="17262" data-end="17515">Mike McShane (18:21)<br data-start="17282" data-end="17285" />Yeah, when she seems to be in a perfect position to just say, “Oh, the last guy did this on the way out, so I guess we are going to do it.” Once they do it for a year and everybody is fine with it, it is just, “Oh well, whatever.”</p>
<p data-start="17517" data-end="17576">Susan Pendergrass (18:33)<br data-start="17542" data-end="17545" />I do not know. I did not do it.</p>
<p data-start="17578" data-end="17889">I think it is going to be really interesting because, again, the way we started this, there is a groundswell. I do not think you are going to turn it back. If you stay on the side of saying it is better when kids can only go to their assigned public school, you are in quicksand. You are going to bury yourself.</p>
<p data-start="17891" data-end="18185">Mike McShane (19:03)<br data-start="17911" data-end="17914" />Yeah. The only thing I would say, and it was another one of my six words, is “rage bait.” It is always lingering in the background for me. I am seeing it more and more, all day, every day, stuff that shows up in your feed deliberately to upset you, terrify you, whatever.</p>
<p data-start="18187" data-end="18611">Rage bait is unpredictable. You never know what is going to catch fire and cause a big shift. There is obviously potential for rage bait content, as we mentioned, we have crossed one and a half million, hundreds of thousands of people in various states, with lots of flexibility in what they can buy. People making bad decisions, people stealing things, it is totally possible that happens. Something egregious could happen.</p>
<p data-start="18613" data-end="18778">With a large enough population, even very improbable events can happen. One fear I do have is that something rage-bait-y happens and people lose their minds over it.</p>
<p data-start="18780" data-end="19054">But this is the key, if one parent in Arizona does something crazy, that does not mean the other 1,499,999 parents around the country should not have the right or opportunity to do this. We have to be able to say, “This is rage bait, this is not actually what is happening.”</p>
<p data-start="19056" data-end="19468">Susan Pendergrass (20:51)<br data-start="19081" data-end="19084" />Yeah, we have talked about this. Those of us who have pressed for school choice for so long have said, “We will do anything you want, take our arm. We will put all our data out there, we will be as transparent as possible.” And your colleague, Marty Lueken, had a Substack about this recently, like, “We will take half the money. We do not need all the money, half the money will be…”</p>
<p data-start="19470" data-end="19502">Mike McShane (21:08)<br data-start="19490" data-end="19493" />For sure.</p>
<p data-start="19504" data-end="19742">Susan Pendergrass (21:19)<br data-start="19529" data-end="19532" />…150 percent transparent. We will jump through all these hoops just to get this thing that everybody wants, and it is from that transparency that we are going to get those stories. We are going to pay for that.</p>
<p data-start="19744" data-end="19989">Mike McShane (21:29)<br data-start="19764" data-end="19767" />Yeah. It is important for people to be more attuned to the rage bait they are getting. People ask, “Have you seen this thing that happened in this place?” And I am like, okay, yeah, even if it did, what do you extrapolate?</p>
<p data-start="19991" data-end="20288">A teacher in Sacramento did something crazy. There are north of a hundred thousand schools across America. There are north of three million public school teachers. At any given moment, someone is doing something dumb. I do not know what to extrapolate from that. It could just be one crazy person.</p>
<p data-start="20290" data-end="20467">This is not just education. Across public policy, you point to one person in the military doing something terrible to delegitimize the military in general. Do not fall for this.</p>
<p data-start="20469" data-end="20763">To be fair, sometimes we in the school choice movement, or education reform, have done rage bait of our own. People have used social media to point out, “My gosh, look at this assignment that a second-grade teacher in Poughkeepsie did, this is why we need school choice.” People have done that.</p>
<p data-start="20765" data-end="20873">The measure with which you measure will be measured back to you. If you live by the sword, die by the sword.</p>
<p data-start="20875" data-end="21100">Susan Pendergrass (22:54)<br data-start="20900" data-end="20903" />John Oliver did a story on charter schools. Remember, it was the guy in Florida that was letting a charter school be a nightclub at night? There is no way that is representative of charter schools.</p>
<p data-start="21102" data-end="21147">Mike McShane (22:58)<br data-start="21122" data-end="21125" />Yeah, I remember that.</p>
<p data-start="21149" data-end="21293">Susan Pendergrass (23:10)<br data-start="21174" data-end="21177" />That was an example I found shocking, but it is not representative. And you are right, they will find those stories.</p>
<p data-start="21295" data-end="21655">Mike McShane (23:13)<br data-start="21315" data-end="21318" />Yeah, totally. We should all use less rage bait. We should not use rage bait to say just because one teacher in one place did something dumb, that is an indictment of public education in general. Nor should we allow the same thing to be done in reverse, which is, because one family did something crazy, we should not have choice at all.</p>
<p data-start="21657" data-end="21919">Susan Pendergrass (23:49)<br data-start="21682" data-end="21685" />That leads to another one of your words, “slop.” There is so much talk about AI in schools and what to do about it. Is one person going to figure this out for every school everywhere, or are we all going to figure it out individually?</p>
<p data-start="21921" data-end="22050">Mike McShane (24:03)<br data-start="21941" data-end="21944" />Yeah, I played out the scenario I am worried about. I do not know if it will happen in 2026, but it might.</p>
<p data-start="22052" data-end="22307">We have heard a lot about AI in schools, students cheating, which is real and worrisome. But the specific scenario I have not heard as many people talking about is the prevalence of AI video, and the ability to create videos of things that did not happen.</p>
<p data-start="22309" data-end="22587">How many, if you have a student in a classroom, after taking a picture or a short, unrelated video of their teacher, they can put it through a series of prompts, “Hey, have this teacher do,” and then insert whatever horrible thing, say something horrible, do something horrible.</p>
<p data-start="22589" data-end="22622">Susan Pendergrass (24:34)<br data-start="22614" data-end="22617" />Yeah.</p>
<p data-start="22624" data-end="22981">Mike McShane (24:53)<br data-start="22644" data-end="22647" />And if you are not savvy, and I will be the first to say I think I am a savvy consumer of the internet, I have been fooled or very close to fooled. AI videos of animals doing things, dogs protecting people from bears, or that one recently that went around with a bald eagle that had ice on its beak that someone knocked off, whatever.</p>
<p data-start="22983" data-end="23172">Susan Pendergrass (24:58)<br data-start="23008" data-end="23011" />It is like a parlor game, right? No dogs are going off diving boards, just to clarify. The rabbits on the trampoline, these are not happening. But you are right.</p>
<p data-start="23174" data-end="23456">Mike McShane (25:20)<br data-start="23194" data-end="23197" />People who are not as savvy, the thing I spelled out was, someone does that, and then suddenly the next PTA meeting is flooded with people because this viral thing went around. The superintendent or principal has to say, “This did not happen, it is not real.”</p>
<p data-start="23458" data-end="23857">If you do not have the media literacy, it is like one person’s word versus another. “We saw it happen, it is on video.” “No, it did not happen, it is AI.” How we adjudicate those things, and how it could be weaponized by teenagers, or by bad actors, all of that stuff will happen. Whenever a new model is released, everyone tries to break it immediately, they are much more creative than I ever was.</p>
<p data-start="23859" data-end="24132">I am worried for teachers, worried for schools, worried for school board meetings. It could be anything. It could be taking video at a football game and saying something happened that did not. Even if it all works out eventually, the time and energy wasted dealing with it…</p>
<p data-start="24134" data-end="24445">Now, again, I am hoping more and more schools, this could be a real kick in the rear end to get phones out of schools and say, “We are not going to have phones in schools, because people are going to be making AI videos of their teachers.” That is one of a thousand reasons we should not have phones in schools.</p>
<p data-start="24447" data-end="24974">But it is not the only place kids are interacting with one another, or with teachers. So we have to be really skeptical when we see that video of that teacher, or that student, or that principal doing something. Take a deep breath and ask, “Is this video real? Does this pass the smell test? Does this sound like something a teacher would actually do?” I am increasingly worried about that. There are many other things people worry about that I do not really worry about, but AI video in the context of schools, bad news bears.</p>
<p data-start="24976" data-end="25604">Susan Pendergrass (27:53)<br data-start="25001" data-end="25004" />Yeah, I think we are going to have to start adjusting our thinking to only believing things that happen in front of our face, things we can touch. The prevalence of, you know, Amazon ads now, they are… I mean, I went to get my haircut and somebody was holding up a picture, and she was like, “Okay, well, that is not a real person.” We are going to have to default to disbelief if it is on a phone or on a screen. If it is happening in front of you, you can touch it, you can believe it. But the rest of it, I think we are going to become extra skeptical, because I do not believe much stuff anymore.</p>
<p data-start="25606" data-end="25905">Mike McShane (28:22)<br data-start="25626" data-end="25629" />Totally. Are schools going to need CCTV cameras everywhere? Are we going to be oddly surveilled in a lot of different ways, just for CYA? “If people are going to be making up fake videos, we need the real video of what is going on.” I do not know how that is going to go, but…</p>
<p data-start="25907" data-end="26328">That was the “rage bait” one, my plea to people, please do not fall victim to rage bait. It is pinging parts of our brains that we should not. I get wrapped up in it too. “My God, I cannot believe that is happening.” Then you take 10 seconds and you are like, “Wait, why am I fired up about this road rage incident in South Carolina?” Someone cut somebody off on the highway. Who cares? I am not there. It is not my deal.</p>
<p data-start="26330" data-end="26485">I think this “slop” stuff is also something we are going to have to be really cautious about and thoughtful about, because it could cause lots of problems.</p>
<p data-start="26487" data-end="26676">Susan Pendergrass (29:35)<br data-start="26512" data-end="26515" />Yeah, but then people are like, “I am not going to allow AI, I am going to check it.” I think AI, we are going to have to accept, right? We have to live with it.</p>
<p data-start="26678" data-end="26851">Mike McShane (29:41)<br data-start="26698" data-end="26701" />Yeah, we are going to have to realize this is just part of it. There will be so many great things that come out of it, the creativity it will unleash.</p>
<p data-start="26853" data-end="27209">In our own Substack, a bunch of the graphics we do are AI generated. I could not, I laugh, I have young kids, they are better drawers, I am horrible at it, but I can do this stuff with a couple of prompts in ChatGPT. “Hey, make me…” and they can be funny. You can do someone in the style of a famous painter and suddenly it is a Renaissance painting of me.</p>
<p data-start="27211" data-end="27518">That is incredible productivity. The fact that I do not have to have a graphic designer, I can basically do it myself and put out essentially a small newspaper with some contributors and a bit of AI. That is an insane productivity increase, and it is incredible, but we have to be cautious of the downsides.</p>
<p data-start="27520" data-end="28015">Susan Pendergrass (30:48)<br data-start="27545" data-end="27548" />Finally, your last word, “supply side.” In Missouri, folks will say, “Well, we do not need private school choice in our rural areas, there are no private schools,” as though the supply of private schools is fixed. It is treated like a natural result of how much interest there is, the kind of people who live in the community, and what is there is there, without thinking that if parents suddenly had $7,000 or $8,000 to spend, maybe somebody would open a new school.</p>
<p data-start="28017" data-end="28499">Or not even a new school. Maybe somebody would open a visual arts business, or a soccer academy, tutoring, dyslexia therapy, whatever it is they think parents want or need. You would be free to be an entrepreneur in that space. That piece is largely overlooked, because it is like, “We have this many private schools with this many seats, so we can only have this many scholarships.” It is like, no, that is not fixed. Do you think we are going to see a lot of changes in that area?</p>
<p data-start="28501" data-end="28851">Mike McShane (32:00)<br data-start="28521" data-end="28524" />Yeah, because another dimension where people think things are fixed is not only the number and locations, but the shape of what schools look like. “We are not going to have a private school in this small area because we cannot have a brick-and-mortar building with 30 rooms and 250 kids.” That is not what we are talking about.</p>
<p data-start="28853" data-end="28902">If you can get 10 kids together at $8,000 apiece…</p>
<p data-start="28904" data-end="28955">Susan Pendergrass (32:26)<br data-start="28929" data-end="28932" />There are no buildings.</p>
<p data-start="28957" data-end="29213">Mike McShane (32:36)<br data-start="28977" data-end="28980" />…you can do a lot of interesting stuff. Especially if you can get space donated, leverage resources in the community, maybe some online stuff, and a local teacher. You could put together a heck of an education on $80,000 or $100,000.</p>
<p data-start="29215" data-end="29523">It is happening. What makes it challenging to talk about is that it is happening across different dimensions. At the same time we are talking about Catholic schools growing and starting new schools in a traditional sense, two blocks away in some rented bungalow people are creating a Montessori micro school.</p>
<p data-start="29525" data-end="29843">Because these things get spoken about in national terms and in a thousand-word news story, we struggle to discuss multiple dimensions. Existing schools are growing, new schools are emerging, and those new schools are going to look different. Some will grow, some will shrink, all these things can be happening at once.</p>
<p data-start="29845" data-end="30476">Our job as researchers and observers is to do a lot of descriptive work, describe what is happening. There has been a push in earlier generations of school choice research toward causal results, horse-race comparisons, “Are they better than public schools?” “Is this type of private school better than that type?” But the only reason we were able to do that in 1998 is because, for a hundred years before, people did descriptive work to know, how many schools, what are they doing? Then you can talk about who is doing better, because you have to decide what they are doing, where they are, who is attending, are there differences.</p>
<p data-start="30478" data-end="30517">It is almost like we are starting over.</p>
<p data-start="30519" data-end="30552">Susan Pendergrass (34:39)<br data-start="30544" data-end="30547" />Yeah.</p>
<p data-start="30554" data-end="30663">Mike McShane (35:01)<br data-start="30574" data-end="30577" />…doing that basic descriptive work. What is actually happening? What are people doing?</p>
<p data-start="30665" data-end="31074">Susan Pendergrass (35:08)<br data-start="30690" data-end="30693" />Yeah, I know somebody who started a school in a barn on their property, and the parents came and converted the empty barn to a school. I know somebody who started a mobile school, basically in a big van, so that the school came to their house one day a week. And I know someone who started one in a high-rise in Queens. It is only limited by people’s imagination, basically, right?</p>
<p data-start="31076" data-end="31476">And a like-minded group of parents. There are more people homeschooling now than used to be, so you could do this individually, but there are many more opportunities to do it. Parents, what emerged from the pandemic, at least, is they want their kids home maybe two days or three days. That is popular, and people are finding that two days out of the house creates unique opportunities in that space.</p>
<p data-start="31478" data-end="31648">I think it is limited by people’s imagination, and some curriculum standards, and perhaps some accountability. But if you can meet those, I think we are seeing this idea.</p>
<p data-start="31650" data-end="32141">I am not trying to be anti-traditional public school, but I butted up against this when my kids were little. “We are the only ones who know how to do this, so you have to accept our way of doing it because it is tried and tested and comes out of our schools of education at the universities.” This is the one and only way you have to teach the number line in third grade. “This is how it has to be, we cannot vary it because we are the great equalizer of civic society in the United States.”</p>
<p data-start="32143" data-end="32262">Your boss, Rob Enlow, really shut me down on this. It has not panned out. We only read and do math less well each year.</p>
<p data-start="32264" data-end="32530">I cannot imagine that letting all these flowers bloom is going to have a worse result. If we fast forward 20 years and look at median earnings and educational attainment rates, and we let this thrive, I think the outcome would improve. I do not see how it goes down.</p>
<p data-start="32532" data-end="32902">Mike McShane (37:23)<br data-start="32552" data-end="32555" />That is the thing. You mentioned the interesting times we are living in now. So many of the “parade of horribles” choice opponents talked about forever, polarization, balkanization, people retreating to silos, it is like, hey guys, that already happened without choice. You cannot blame choice, because choice did not exist yet for that to happen.</p>
<p data-start="32904" data-end="33065">Lots of people pushing each other in the streets went to public schools. Statistically, these are public school graduates having large problems with one another.</p>
<p data-start="33067" data-end="33626">The conservative in me says things can always get worse. The fundamental progressive view is things can always get better, and the fundamental conservative view is things could always get worse. That strand in me says, yes, things could get worse. But across a lot of these dimensions, academic outcomes, civic outcomes, there is a lot of room for growth, and not nearly as much bottom end to fall out. So the risks associated with giving people more choices are not nearly as severe as proponents of the traditional public schooling system make it out to be.</p>
<p data-start="33628" data-end="33827">Susan Pendergrass (38:58)<br data-start="33653" data-end="33656" />Yeah. Well, in Missouri, 40 percent of our fourth graders are below the basic level in reading, which means they cannot read at all. They cannot read. They are illiterate.</p>
<p data-start="33829" data-end="34061">Would 40 percent of parents, if given the money to spend on their child’s education, have a nine-year-old and say, “Turns out they cannot read. I tried and tried, we just did not get there. They just cannot read.” I do not think so.</p>
<p data-start="34063" data-end="34465">I know this is not the perfect solution, that accountability through parental choice is the answer. I am not saying that. But I do not think that if parents were truly put in charge, four out of 10 would just say, “Gosh darn it, this kid is never going to read, there is probably a lot of opportunity in the service industry.” I do not think so. I think that would be a much better check on the system.</p>
<p data-start="34467" data-end="34548">Interesting stuff. Thanks so much for joining us. I really appreciate it, always.</p>
<p data-start="34550" data-end="34622">Mike McShane (39:42)<br data-start="34570" data-end="34573" />Yep. Yeah. I agree with you. Agreed, 100 percent.</p>
<p data-start="34624" data-end="34706">Susan Pendergrass (39:59)<br data-start="34649" data-end="34652" />So great to talk to you. What is your Substack called?</p>
<p data-start="34708" data-end="34840">Mike McShane (40:02)<br data-start="34728" data-end="34731" /><em data-start="34731" data-end="34748">Informed Choice</em>, so people can check that out. <em data-start="34780" data-end="34797">Informed Choice</em> on Substack. Subscribe, it would be great.</p>
<p data-start="34842" data-end="34924">Susan Pendergrass (40:05)<br data-start="34867" data-end="34870" />Yeah, it is really interesting. Great. Thanks so much.</p>
<p data-start="34926" data-end="34970" data-is-last-node="" data-is-only-node="">Mike McShane (40:10)<br data-start="34946" data-end="34949" />Thanks for having me.</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with<span style="color: #ff0000;"><a style="color: #ff0000;" href="https://www.edchoice.org/team-member/robert-c-enlow/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="color: #800000;"> Robert C. Enlow, president and CEO of EdChoice</span></a></span>, about the expansion of school choice and the organization’s work advancing parental freedom in education. They discuss Milton Friedman’s original vision, how states like Florida, Arizona, and Indiana have moved toward universal choice, Missouri’s legal fight over its scholarship program, and how parental demand is reshaping education markets, and more.</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Timestamps</span></p>
<p>00:00 Introduction to Ed Choice and Leadership<br />
01:00 Milton Friedman’s Legacy in Education<br />
02:26 The State of School Choice in America<br />
04:57 Challenges in Missouri&#8217;s Education System<br />
07:38 The Importance of Universal School Choice<br />
09:39 The Role of Leadership in Education Reform<br />
11:49 Parental Advocacy and the Future of School Choice<br />
14:15 Market Demand and Private School Growth<br />
16:59 The Evolution of Educational Options<br />
19:49 Redefining Quality in Education<br />
22:18 Civic Values and Shared Experiences in Education<br />
26:05 The Debate on Public vs. Private Education<br />
29:47 Legal Challenges and Advocacy for School Choice</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Transcript</span></p>
<p data-start="94" data-end="342"><strong data-start="94" data-end="123">Susan Pendergrass (00:00)</strong><br data-start="123" data-end="126" />So I am actually very excited that you have joined our podcast, Robert Enlow. You are CEO or executive director of EdChoice—which one? President and CEO. How long have you been president and CEO of that organization?</p>
<p data-start="344" data-end="405"><strong data-start="344" data-end="368">Robert Enlow (00:08)</strong><br data-start="368" data-end="371" />I&#8217;m president and CEO of EdChoice.</p>
<p data-start="407" data-end="686">Well, that&#8217;s a great question, Susan. And thanks for having me, and thanks to Show-Me for all they do. I believe I&#8217;ve been president and CEO since 2009, but I joined the organization in 1996. We opened our doors on September 23, 1996, and I was the first guy walking in the door.</p>
<p data-start="688" data-end="789"><strong data-start="688" data-end="717">Susan Pendergrass (00:31)</strong><br data-start="717" data-end="720" />And it was originally called the Milton and Rose Friedman Foundation.</p>
<p data-start="791" data-end="1304"><strong data-start="791" data-end="815">Robert Enlow (00:34)</strong><br data-start="815" data-end="818" />Correct, the Milton and Rose D. Friedman Foundation, obviously established after Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman and his wife, Rose. During the last decade of their lives, I got to know them—particularly in the last five years of his life. As a young kid coming from England who had these wild-eyed liberal ideas in some ways, it took me a little while for him and Rose to get to understand me and warm up to me, but they did, and it was an amazing experience getting to watch them work.</p>
<p data-start="1306" data-end="1442"><strong data-start="1306" data-end="1335">Susan Pendergrass (00:40)</strong><br data-start="1335" data-end="1338" />And you knew them both. What do you think he would think of what&#8217;s going on right now in K–12 education?</p>
<p data-start="1444" data-end="2556"><strong data-start="1444" data-end="1468">Robert Enlow (01:04)</strong><br data-start="1468" data-end="1471" />You know, I will tell you what he would say to me every single time we passed a bill in another state. He would say, “Robert, we&#8217;re on the right track, but you&#8217;ve got a lot more to do.” I think he would be happy that we got to universality of people. I think he would be really pleased with the fact that we&#8217;re now at a universe of eligibility. I think he&#8217;d be less pleased that we&#8217;re still controlling the marketplace and controlling the spigot of funds. So I think he would be saying we&#8217;re not getting to a true universal marketplace unless you think about supply and information and funding just as much as you think of everyone choosing. Like in a state like Texas, everyone&#8217;s excited—oh my God, everyone gets to choose. Well, not really. It&#8217;s a billion-dollar appropriation. That means only maybe 90,000 kids get to choose out of 6 million. So when you think about who can really choose, we’ve got to think about the money. And the same thing is true in Missouri with its $50 million—$75 million tax rate and $50 million appropriation still limits the number of fan futures. Yeah.</p>
<p data-start="2558" data-end="3307"><strong data-start="2558" data-end="2587">Susan Pendergrass (02:02)</strong><br data-start="2587" data-end="2590" />Like nobody. Tiny, tiny. But we do have an Arizona and a Florida now. I think, you know, I remember a very long time ago working with you on an Arizona voucher that got vetoed by the governor, but now Arizona is essentially universal school choice, and Florida. What I&#8217;m seeing most recently that I really love is with their universal school choice and more than half of parents choosing something, the public schools are getting in the game. The public schools are like, okay, spend your scholarship dollars with us, because we&#8217;ve been at this a long time. And they&#8217;re not seeing it as this us versus them. It&#8217;s like, we are all working together to educate our kids. And maybe, you know, we all have a place in this.</p>
<p data-start="3309" data-end="4338"><strong data-start="3309" data-end="3333">Robert Enlow (02:30)</strong><br data-start="3333" data-end="3336" />That&#8217;s right. So people ask me all the time, Susan, they&#8217;re like, well, when will you work with the opponents of school choice, or when will you work with public schools? I&#8217;m like, we&#8217;ll work with public schools when there truly is a level playing field for all families to be able to choose. Now we actually see there are three aspects to that that we care about, right? All families can choose, right? They can choose all the options, and they can choose with all available dollars. We see five states that have that criteria now: Florida, Arizona, West Virginia, and now New Hampshire. Arkansas—Arkansas. So Arkansas, yeah, Arkansas, Arizona, the A’s; W’s—West Virginia; Florida; and New Hampshire. And what&#8217;s really interesting about that, if you look over time—we do this thing called the EdChoice Share, which is what we really care about: how many people are choosing all the options that they want. Florida and Arizona are the top two. And it&#8217;s really amazing to see what&#8217;s happened in Florida.</p>
<p data-start="4340" data-end="4381"><strong data-start="4340" data-end="4369">Susan Pendergrass (03:16)</strong><br data-start="4369" data-end="4372" />Arkansas.</p>
<p data-start="4383" data-end="4635"><strong data-start="4383" data-end="4407">Robert Enlow (03:39)</strong><br data-start="4407" data-end="4410" />—people, of families going to traditional assigned public schools. Now, even in that, they are choosing by buying a house, right? So that&#8217;s gone from 86.2% in 2001–2002 to now, today, just 51.8%. About half. Isn&#8217;t that crazy?</p>
<p data-start="4637" data-end="5734"><strong data-start="4637" data-end="4666">Susan Pendergrass (03:46)</strong><br data-start="4666" data-end="4669" />Sure, sure, sure. About half. And I will tell you from my experience in Missouri, that sort of reality—where almost every kid just goes to their assigned public school, whatever&#8217;s on the utility bill, that&#8217;s where you go to school and you have no other options—is still assumed to be almost universal. In fact, it is in Missouri, because we only have charter schools as punishment. We have that tiny little scholarship program. You can go to a full-time virtual, which isn&#8217;t for everyone. So essentially, you see the address on the utility bill is where you go to school. And I just think that it&#8217;s been really hard to sort of break through that mindset and let folks know, like in Florida, only half of parents are doing that. And probably, like you said, a sizable percentage of that half decided where to live based on what school their kids would go to. So they are, in a sense, exercising some choice. And I just wonder, when you have two states in the same nation that are so completely divergent, where does that lead us to? So Missouri&#8217;s kind of surrounded.</p>
<p data-start="5736" data-end="6589"><strong data-start="5736" data-end="5760">Robert Enlow (04:57)</strong><br data-start="5760" data-end="5763" />Well, it&#8217;s—yeah, so Missouri is surrounded, and where it leads you to is a couple of things. It leads you to a metric of in-migration. In Indiana, one of the things I get asked a lot is, you know, what&#8217;s the success metric for your state? And I say the number of people migrating to our state because they have educational options. Right. So we are a state of educational options on your border, almost, and everyone can choose. Right. And it&#8217;s a big deal, and it&#8217;s why we&#8217;ve had more and more families. You&#8217;re ranked in our study 28th out of 51. And you really have not seen a change. Well, I mean, you still have 80.3% in traditional schools, but what you&#8217;ve done is you&#8217;ve allowed magnet schools to grow and you&#8217;ve had some charter school—your charter school growth has been—let&#8217;s take a look. You&#8217;ve actually had a decent—</p>
<p data-start="6591" data-end="7241"><strong data-start="6591" data-end="6620">Susan Pendergrass (05:32)</strong><br data-start="6620" data-end="6623" />That seems high, to be honest. Yeah, but I can tell you our charter schools are punishments. They&#8217;re only in Kansas City and St. Louis, only in non-accredited districts. So right now there might be a charter school in the works in a fully accredited district—in Columbia 93—and people in Columbia 93 are freaking out about a charter school opening. This is how sort of, like, behind the curve we are. They&#8217;re freaking out that a charter school might open, and they&#8217;re arguing we don&#8217;t need it. And I will say—I want to get to the lawsuit against our scholarship program. We have a very strong, what I sort of call the—</p>
<p data-start="7243" data-end="7289"><strong data-start="7243" data-end="7267">Robert Enlow (05:52)</strong><br data-start="7267" data-end="7270" />Yeah, that&#8217;s great.</p>
<p data-start="7291" data-end="7684"><strong data-start="7291" data-end="7320">Susan Pendergrass (06:16)</strong><br data-start="7320" data-end="7323" />—educational establishment in Jefferson City. That is the teacher union leadership, the Association of School Boards, and the Association of Superintendents. Because we have 520 districts, there&#8217;s a lot of superintendents and a lot of school boards, and they will show up to a hearing to make sure that parents don&#8217;t get to choose where their kids go to school.</p>
<p data-start="7686" data-end="8758"><strong data-start="7686" data-end="7710">Robert Enlow (06:35)</strong><br data-start="7710" data-end="7713" />Yeah, so this is one of the reasons why, in 2016, when the Milton Friedman Foundation changed its name to EdChoice, we focused on universality. Because I think we realized that the fights for school choice—where they&#8217;re fighting to make sure that children can escape from bad schools—is the wrong message. The message is that all families need to have some freedom to choose what works best for them. And that should be across all income levels. Why are we okay with giving billionaires access to gated, segregated public schools, but freak out when we give them the options to choose private schools? Moreover, you can&#8217;t continue to ask Republican legislators to vote for something that they&#8217;re going to get killed for in their district. Right. And so one of the key points of universality has been being able to say, we need you to support choice so that constituents of yours can get an opportunity. So in your state, one of the challenges has been: how do we get eligibility to where it&#8217;s supposed to be universal? And you&#8217;ve done your—yeah.</p>
<p data-start="8760" data-end="9637"><strong data-start="8760" data-end="8789">Susan Pendergrass (07:38)</strong><br data-start="8789" data-end="8792" />Funding, funding. I mean, we had tiny funding up until this $50 million. The only scholarship dollars we had were fundraised from individual and corporate donors. So getting that money together has been a real challenge, and I think we got to $15 to $20 million finally. And ironically—I don&#8217;t know, you may not know this because it&#8217;s very in the weeds—but when that ESA program, when that scholarship program passed, we agreed—the legislature agreed—that any district that lost a student to the scholarship program could continue to count them for five years. So this year they&#8217;re asking for $30 million to cover the kids who took the scholarship. Thirty million dollars is going to go to public schools for the kids who took the scholarships, but they don&#8217;t want the scholarship program to get $50 million. And I just think the irony kills me.</p>
<p data-start="9639" data-end="10207"><strong data-start="9639" data-end="9663">Robert Enlow (08:25)</strong><br data-start="9663" data-end="9666" />Well, hold on—just, I think—so this hold-harmless thing, let me just ask a question. I think Show-Me then should put in a bill like this: if they want to be held harmless when a student leaves, then anytime a child moves from one public school to another public school, they should hold that other public school to account. Public schools are getting—they&#8217;re the ones where families are moving the most, right? So aren&#8217;t other public schools in Missouri taking more money from other public schools than any kind of choice or charter program?</p>
<p data-start="10209" data-end="10909"><strong data-start="10209" data-end="10238">Susan Pendergrass (08:42)</strong><br data-start="10238" data-end="10241" />That&#8217;s right. Yeah, and God forbid that we&#8217;re sending kids to Indiana for your in-migration, right? Like, when kids leave, somehow we should—and we do have these crazy hold-harmless policies that you guys have analyzed—but I feel like it&#8217;s starting to feel like we have sort of two different worlds. If you raise your kids in Florida or Arizona or Arkansas, when they get to be four or five years old, then good news: you get to sit down and look at your options and look at your kid and look at where you work, what might fit your schedule, and you can pick from a number of things. If you live in Missouri, you cannot. And I just think that&#8217;s gonna start to diverge.</p>
<p data-start="10911" data-end="13028"><strong data-start="10911" data-end="10935">Robert Enlow (09:25)</strong><br data-start="10935" data-end="10938" />So here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going to say about that. I agree with you. And there is a divergence happening, particularly in the states in America that have broad choices—and I don&#8217;t just mean private school; I mean charter and all of that. But once you get a taste of choice—we have really believed this over time—once you start to get a taste of choice, and if you make it broad enough and open enough, parents begin to start utilizing that option; they learn over time. And so it didn&#8217;t happen overnight that Florida went from 90% to 51%. It happened over 20 years as choice grew and became more eligible. So, you know, key point is you in Missouri now have a program. It now has some public funds attached to it. And the goal is to get that utilized as much and as broadly as possible in every district. I say this all the time: one of the reasons why Indiana&#8217;s Choice Program is so defensible is—we love our charter schools—but charter schools, I think, are in 30 districts and 30 legislative districts. Private schools are in every single legislative district in the state, and all of them take choice dollars. And so you have a built-in constituency of support. We now have 110,000 families using choice out of our million kids. And so it&#8217;s amazing, the growth. It didn&#8217;t start off that way. It started off with 3,500. Right. And so you see the growth of choice over time. And as long as your legislatures are willing to move forward, then you&#8217;re going to continue to see that change. And no amount of union hacking and no amount of school board association—because they&#8217;re ultimately disconnected with what the parents want. And that&#8217;s particularly true after COVID, because there&#8217;s a ton of micro schools and a ton of—Milton Friedman used to say, you know you&#8217;re ready for a free market when there&#8217;s the presence of an underground market. And there&#8217;s a huge underground market for education happening all over Missouri right now in the form of micro schools and pods. Parents are wanting to move. And as the legislature starts giving them access to public funds, you&#8217;ll see growth over time.</p>
<p data-start="13030" data-end="13728"><strong data-start="13030" data-end="13059">Susan Pendergrass (11:22)</strong><br data-start="13059" data-end="13062" />And we&#8217;ve got some parent advocacy groups that have appeared on the scene, like Activate Missouri. And I know, like in Florida, there were some very loud parent groups that influenced elections because they wanted school choice. And I do believe that parents are going to be the ones that sort of drive the change in Missouri. But you guys in Indiana also had very strong leadership. You had Governor Mitch Daniels—like, you had very strong leadership. We&#8217;ve had a bit of a vacuum in that regard in Missouri. Our new governor supports the idea of school choice. I&#8217;m not sure that he&#8217;s willing to put his political capital on the line for it in the way that you guys—</p>
<p data-start="13730" data-end="14926"><strong data-start="13730" data-end="13754">Robert Enlow (11:57)</strong><br data-start="13754" data-end="13757" />Yeah, so there&#8217;s a lot of feeling out there now—oh my God, if I get a governor, it&#8217;ll be a savior, right? And look, governors are super important and they are critical for getting it over the line. Mitch Daniels was critical to take this movement in the country to the next step. Prior to Mitch Daniels, we&#8217;d sort of seen the failure of a voucher program in Florida—Jeb Bush&#8217;s voucher program—and so we&#8217;d gone to this tax-credit scholarship model, right? And Mitch said, no, we&#8217;re going to do something big, statewide and large. And when he did that, he sort of opened the floodgates for a bunch of states. So that was really important. Governor Pence was supportive. But the governors after that haven&#8217;t been, like, massively out in front driving stuff. They&#8217;ve not not signed it when it comes to their table, but they haven&#8217;t been out there leading the way. Having a Speaker of the House like Representative Todd Huston—by the way, it&#8217;s amazing. So having leadership roles is critically important. I can&#8217;t say enough for someone like Speaker Huston. So, you know, it&#8217;s important to have a governor, but it&#8217;s super important to have leadership in the House and Senate.</p>
<p data-start="14928" data-end="15772"><strong data-start="14928" data-end="14957">Susan Pendergrass (13:05)</strong><br data-start="14957" data-end="14960" />Yeah, you must, because I know you have the third-grade non-retention for kids who are behind in reading. I know that you guys are out in front on the—really the first really meaty—federal waiver request that the Secretary of Education has been asking for states to send in their waiver requests. And Indiana&#8217;s is certainly the most robust. You&#8217;re going back to letter grades for your schools. I mean, you&#8217;re not just doing choice. You guys are seemingly moving on a lot of fronts in education in a way that will make it very attractive to families. And I try to make this point all the time in Missouri: families are gonna leave and businesses are gonna leave because we have all of these second-generation choosers, right? So kids who chose their school are having kids, and they expect to choose their school.</p>
<p data-start="15774" data-end="16341"><strong data-start="15774" data-end="15798">Robert Enlow (13:47)</strong><br data-start="15798" data-end="15801" />Look, the idea of customer choice is embedded into anyone who&#8217;s under 30, right? And so when they begin to realize that&#8217;s going to be true in education, they&#8217;re going to be like, why am I getting this one-size-fits-all system that doesn&#8217;t actually fit either my values or my safety or what I think of academic quality—or what if I want something more hybrid? I mean, the reality is that families under 30 now—they&#8217;re not having kids; we have a baby bust here—but those under 30 are definitely saying, “I want more choice and customization.”</p>
<p data-start="16343" data-end="16871"><strong data-start="16343" data-end="16372">Susan Pendergrass (14:15)</strong><br data-start="16372" data-end="16375" />Yeah, and as you know, you have multiple kids, I have multiple kids—they&#8217;re not even all the same. So what works for one might not work for all of them within a family. Now, another argument that we get in Missouri, in terms of the need for private school choice, is we don&#8217;t have enough—you know, we don&#8217;t have very many private schools, and most rural districts don&#8217;t have any. And we are seeing some research emerge that the private school market responds in these scholarship programs, right?</p>
<p data-start="16873" data-end="17340"><strong data-start="16873" data-end="16897">Robert Enlow (14:38)</strong><br data-start="16897" data-end="16900" />I love hearing this, Susan, and I&#8217;m sorry if I am frustrated by that question. I don&#8217;t think you ever, ever ask—no one in the world ever asked—and I know this is not comparing education with this product—but no one in the world ever asked Lay&#8217;s Potato Chips how many bags of Fritos they need. They figure that out based on customer and market demand. This idea that somehow private schools don&#8217;t exist—of course they exist to market demand.</p>
<p data-start="17342" data-end="17399"><strong data-start="17342" data-end="17371">Susan Pendergrass (14:45)</strong><br data-start="17371" data-end="17374" />Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah.</p>
<p data-start="17401" data-end="18415"><strong data-start="17401" data-end="17425">Robert Enlow (15:06)</strong><br data-start="17425" data-end="17428" />When it comes and when it&#8217;s free and when it&#8217;s open. Let me give you an example. In Indiana, when we first started our program in 2010, it was like, “There&#8217;s not enough private school spaces. There&#8217;s not enough private school spaces.” Okay, so we did a survey of all the private schools. We got all the private schools to get together on how many spaces they had. They had 22,000 available spaces. We went through district and grade. Great. And then when we expanded it in 2013, the governor says, “We need to know how many spaces there are going to be.” All right, we&#8217;ll do another survey—since no one believes that markets respond, right? Well, we did a whole other survey. How many spaces do you think there were? Twenty-two thousand. Exactly. My point is—like 20 or 22,000, right? This concept of “Oh, we don&#8217;t know if there&#8217;s enough supply.” Look, markets will respond so long as markets are free to respond. So one of the biggest challenges right now going forward is—look, try to—</p>
<p data-start="18417" data-end="18457"><strong data-start="18417" data-end="18446">Susan Pendergrass (15:41)</strong><br data-start="18446" data-end="18449" />I don&#8217;t—</p>
<p data-start="18459" data-end="19012"><strong data-start="18459" data-end="18483">Robert Enlow (16:01)</strong><br data-start="18483" data-end="18486" />School choice—or private school choice, or educational choice—can do one of three things: fill seats in existing schools, build new seats in existing schools, or build new schools, right? Now, the way we&#8217;ve run private schooling in America is we&#8217;re only doing one and two. We&#8217;re filling seats in existing. And just remember, private schools in the last 25 years lost 10% market share total, right? So there&#8217;s a ton of spaces. There&#8217;s a ton of spaces in private schools all over America, right? So if you think you lost 10% of—</p>
<p data-start="19014" data-end="19098"><strong data-start="19014" data-end="19043">Susan Pendergrass (16:20)</strong><br data-start="19043" data-end="19046" />That&#8217;s right. Closed. A lot of schools closed. Ahem.</p>
<p data-start="19100" data-end="19926"><strong data-start="19100" data-end="19124">Robert Enlow (16:30)</strong><br data-start="19124" data-end="19127" />—five million, right? Or whatever the number is. You have plenty of spaces out there in private currently. Now we need to grow those spaces and grow the different types of models. That&#8217;s going to require legislators to be a bit more willing to take some risk around the types of schools that they allow to be, quote-unquote, “accredited,” right? So you need to allow micro schools. You need to allow new entrants into the marketplace. And the more you do that, the faster it will grow. But there are slots out there. And what we&#8217;re really finding from the emerging research is that private schools are growing faster in rural areas—like in Florida—and they&#8217;re actually growing. I mean, Susan, you did this research for us about Florida and Arizona, so why don&#8217;t you tell us how fast they&#8217;re growing?</p>
<p data-start="19928" data-end="20374"><strong data-start="19928" data-end="19957">Susan Pendergrass (17:07)</strong><br data-start="19957" data-end="19960" />Right. Well, they&#8217;re growing in Arizona. What I will say that comes out of that research is parents don&#8217;t really care what the label is on the bill. They are calling a lot of things “schools” now, right, that you might not have called schools before. And you guys survey parents—you do your monthly surveys. Schooling in America—what&#8217;s it called? What&#8217;s your monthly survey? Yeah. You&#8217;ve been doing it since COVID.</p>
<p data-start="20376" data-end="20467"><strong data-start="20376" data-end="20400">Robert Enlow (17:27)</strong><br data-start="20400" data-end="20403" />It&#8217;s called Morning Consult—sorry, Schooling in America polling.</p>
<p data-start="20469" data-end="21720"><strong data-start="20469" data-end="20498">Susan Pendergrass (17:32)</strong><br data-start="20498" data-end="20501" />And what I think is one of the most interesting findings is that consistently, now that COVID&#8217;s way in the rearview, parents want their kids to go to school two or three days a week. More parents want their kids home a couple days and in school a couple days than want five days in school or five days at home. People sort of want this—they like this sort of flexibility thing. And what I think we&#8217;re seeing is a growth in, like you said, micro schools, hybrid schools, homeschool co-ops where I am homeschooling a couple days, then a couple days my child is going somewhere to be part of group activities. And parents are doing online coding schools, and that&#8217;s a school to them, right? It&#8217;s an online situation where their kids are learning to code, and they&#8217;re calling it a school. So, yeah, the definition of what is a private school—the fact that it&#8217;s not a nonprofit provider, that it&#8217;s a private provider and they&#8217;re providing all sorts of different things—is really getting blurry. I think that that is a definite finding. And where that&#8217;s allowed to thrive, like Arizona, where you have this massive ESA program, and Florida—that&#8217;s where you&#8217;re seeing parents are only limited by what they can think up, right?</p>
<p data-start="21722" data-end="21841"><strong data-start="21722" data-end="21746">Robert Enlow (18:39)</strong><br data-start="21746" data-end="21749" />So how much growth was there in Arizona and Florida? You saw it. Tell me how much there was.</p>
<p data-start="21843" data-end="22325"><strong data-start="21843" data-end="21872">Susan Pendergrass (18:44)</strong><br data-start="21872" data-end="21875" />In the number of private schools? Well, I will say this: private school data is messy. And in most states, it looks like they&#8217;re declining. Florida and Arizona are two of the states where you can say for sure—outside the error ranges—they have more private schools now than they did 10 years ago. And that is the exception to the rest of the country. You can say for sure California and New York have fewer private schools than they did 10 years ago.</p>
<p data-start="22327" data-end="22386"><strong data-start="22327" data-end="22351">Robert Enlow (18:45)</strong><br data-start="22351" data-end="22354" />Yeah. I love you, Reese Richard.</p>
<p data-start="22388" data-end="23171"><strong data-start="22388" data-end="22417">Susan Pendergrass (19:08)</strong><br data-start="22417" data-end="22420" />And the nation as a whole has fewer private schools. But in Florida and Arizona, you&#8217;re seeing the opposite direction—and Ohio. So the market is responding, but it might not be, you know, a full-on brick-and-mortar cafeteria-gym-library private school. It might be something that doesn&#8217;t look exactly like that. And to a parent, it&#8217;s a school. And that&#8217;s what I think we&#8217;re seeing. And I know that in Florida, parents are combining scholarship programs to have their child see a paraprofessional and get some specialized equipment if they have a disability, and be part of a group activity. And I think that is one of the most exciting things that&#8217;s happening—these really interesting, expansive, curated experiences that parents are putting together.</p>
<p data-start="23173" data-end="23354"><strong data-start="23173" data-end="23197">Robert Enlow (19:49)</strong><br data-start="23197" data-end="23200" />Yeah, you saw in one year a growth of 150—think—private schools or private options in Arizona in just one year. So it&#8217;s not like the market won&#8217;t respond.</p>
<p data-start="23356" data-end="24189"><strong data-start="23356" data-end="23385">Susan Pendergrass (19:56)</strong><br data-start="23385" data-end="23388" />Yeah. And more of them are accessing online schools than they used to. Right—Stanford has a school, BYU has a school. If you can access these online schools, they don&#8217;t have to be in-state. That&#8217;s because the parents are deciding where the money goes. But in Missouri, Missouri has accredited Missouri virtual schools, and that&#8217;s where you have to enroll your child. But when you let the parents and word of mouth—say, you know, “Hey, I&#8217;ve got a great foreign language school”—word of mouth works. Then I think you definitely see a massive expansion of what parents are accessing through these programs. And I can only imagine, based on Milton Friedman&#8217;s—what, 1955? 57? 55—premise on this, that achievement should go up. I mean, I know that this isn&#8217;t the thing that we are focused on, but it should.</p>
<p data-start="24191" data-end="24228"><strong data-start="24191" data-end="24215">Robert Enlow (20:36)</strong><br data-start="24215" data-end="24218" />Yep, 1955.</p>
<p data-start="24230" data-end="24479"><strong data-start="24230" data-end="24259">Susan Pendergrass (20:46)</strong><br data-start="24259" data-end="24262" />I&#8217;ve always said, like, if 25% of Missouri eighth graders are proficient in math, I don&#8217;t think 75% of Missouri parents, if they were given control over it, would just accept the fact that their kid didn&#8217;t learn math.</p>
<p data-start="24481" data-end="24748"><strong data-start="24481" data-end="24505">Robert Enlow (20:56)</strong><br data-start="24505" data-end="24508" />So one of the challenges I think we have with that is: what do we determine to be quality, and how do we measure that, right? I&#8217;m one of the few that think that the standards movements of the 1980s did more harm to K–12 education than good.</p>
<p data-start="24750" data-end="24823"><strong data-start="24750" data-end="24779">Susan Pendergrass (21:02)</strong><br data-start="24779" data-end="24782" />Yeah, that&#8217;s a big question. Tell me why.</p>
<p data-start="24825" data-end="25257"><strong data-start="24825" data-end="24849">Robert Enlow (21:14)</strong><br data-start="24849" data-end="24852" />Because I think the standardization to such a point—which then meant you had to have state tests aligned to that standardization, which then meant you had to create very rigid scope and sequencing for teachers—it really did, in a way, de-professionalize the teaching industry and make it a widget industry. And so, as a result, I think we&#8217;ve lost this ability to educate, and we&#8217;ve created this desire to—</p>
<p data-start="25259" data-end="25304"><strong data-start="25259" data-end="25288">Susan Pendergrass (21:17)</strong><br data-start="25288" data-end="25291" />—teach to it.</p>
<p data-start="25306" data-end="25818"><strong data-start="25306" data-end="25330">Robert Enlow (21:43)</strong><br data-start="25330" data-end="25333" />—to inculcate in terms of how to get them to do a test. I&#8217;m not a big fan of state tests. I think they get gamed all the time and changed all the time. I&#8217;m not a huge fan of state standards. I think you can have standards, but align them to something else. We had the Iowa Test of Basic Skills growing up, and that was a fine test, and we could do the same. So we, for example, are believers in testing choice and think we should allow families to do that. So when you look at quality—</p>
<p data-start="25820" data-end="26036"><strong data-start="25820" data-end="25849">Susan Pendergrass (22:10)</strong><br data-start="25849" data-end="25852" />You mean pick a test—allow them to pick a test? And how would you hold any schools accountable, or would you? Would you do the Ashley Berner or the British approach? What would you do?</p>
<p data-start="26038" data-end="27345"><strong data-start="26038" data-end="26062">Robert Enlow (22:13)</strong><br data-start="26062" data-end="26065" />Yeah, they should all be taking tests if they want. I think—no, look, first of all, I think parents hold schools accountable. We&#8217;re learning that from Arizona, right? By the time they close a charter school in Arizona, there&#8217;s like 12 parents in it, right? So, I mean, parents know quality. But you’ve got to remember, parents are choosing for different reasons. I think about this all the time. I had a son who had special needs, and I didn&#8217;t want to send him to the local public school because it was going to be bad for him, in my opinion. He wasn&#8217;t going to be served. So I went and did a whole bunch of searching around, and I picked a school that was 15th on the I-STEP for third-grade results—that was Indiana—versus the other school that was seventh, right? Why did I do that? Well, I did it because I thought he&#8217;d have a safer environment, he&#8217;d have a more moral environment—an environment with my values—and it was cheap enough for me, and it was good enough. So, parents make decisions based on a whole host of factors, and I think it&#8217;s silly for us to think that they don&#8217;t. The other thing is: what do we mean by quality is a big deal. I am not a fan of saying quality is only a test score. I think quality is much more than that. I don&#8217;t know about your kids, Susan.</p>
<p data-start="27347" data-end="27430"><strong data-start="27347" data-end="27376">Susan Pendergrass (23:18)</strong><br data-start="27376" data-end="27379" />That&#8217;s a great question. But do test scores matter?</p>
<p data-start="27432" data-end="28167"><strong data-start="27432" data-end="27456">Robert Enlow (23:43)</strong><br data-start="27456" data-end="27459" />I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d say—they matter insofar as you inform parents how kids are doing relative to others. I think it&#8217;s important that families know that. I&#8217;m a big fan of the one thing I do like about the British system—just ranking all the schools. That&#8217;s what they do: they take a test and everyone gets put on a league table. I love that concept. Everyone gets on a league table, and you can say, “Oh, you&#8217;re going to a school that&#8217;s 100 out of 200. Well, you&#8217;re mid-table. Why aren&#8217;t you going to a school that&#8217;s 85 or 60,” or something like that? So I think it&#8217;s really important to just put it on a table, because I think keeping up with the Joneses is actually a valuable part of society. But think about—</p>
<p data-start="28169" data-end="28669"><strong data-start="28169" data-end="28198">Susan Pendergrass (24:01)</strong><br data-start="28198" data-end="28201" />We do that at the Show-Me Institute. For Missouri schools, we do rank all the schools. But one more question—just to push back on that a little bit, but not exactly that. One thing that we&#8217;re seeing, or that I&#8217;ve seen in these scholarship programs, is that kids are potentially—we&#8217;re growing the number of kids who are not having shared experiences with their peers. And by that, I mean probably going to have a lot fewer kids playing the trumpet or playing the cello.</p>
<p data-start="28671" data-end="28701"><strong data-start="28671" data-end="28695">Robert Enlow (24:10)</strong><br data-start="28695" data-end="28698" />No.</p>
<p data-start="28703" data-end="29495"><strong data-start="28703" data-end="28732">Susan Pendergrass (24:28)</strong><br data-start="28732" data-end="28735" />Because when you go to middle school and you say, “I&#8217;m going to take band,” and then they&#8217;re like, “Let&#8217;s pick an instrument,” right? That is kind of hokey, but that was what a lot of us did. And now you have parents who are simply having their child go to guitar lessons or piano lessons because that&#8217;s what their kid wants to play. And you&#8217;re not going to have kids hauling their flute home on the bus. And that&#8217;s kind of a shared experience. Also, things like the weird PE classes I had to take, like square dancing or, I don&#8217;t know, bowling. You know, we&#8217;re going to lose some of that from a civic point of view. We&#8217;re going to lose lots of the shared experience, and kids are going to have these algorithm-driven or curated experiences. What do you think?</p>
<p data-start="29497" data-end="29939"><strong data-start="29497" data-end="29521">Robert Enlow (25:06)</strong><br data-start="29521" data-end="29524" />Okay, comrade. Let me just say, okay, comrade. I can&#8217;t believe I just heard an apologist for school buses, right? I mean, everyone get on a bus with a snotty—listen, common cultural experiences happen by common cultural things, not by being in the same place at the same time. This idea that schools are the locus of all of our common cultural experiences is part of the problem we have in education. So in Arizona—</p>
<p data-start="29941" data-end="30042"><strong data-start="29941" data-end="29970">Susan Pendergrass (25:08)</strong><br data-start="29970" data-end="29973" />Come on, come on, what do you think? You have to ride the school bus?</p>
<p data-start="30044" data-end="30556"><strong data-start="30044" data-end="30068">Robert Enlow (25:35)</strong><br data-start="30068" data-end="30071" />Yeah. Yes, yes. There are tons and tons of common cultural experiences right now. The fastest-growing type of tutor is music and physical instruction, right? Are they not taking classes together? Are they not working together with other kids? They&#8217;re just not working with other kids in a common—in a socialist—environment of a school bus or in a school, right? This idea that acculturation and socialization happen only inside of a K–12 school building strikes me as very socialistic.</p>
<p data-start="30558" data-end="30736"><strong data-start="30558" data-end="30587">Susan Pendergrass (26:05)</strong><br data-start="30587" data-end="30590" />I hear it. I hear it a lot from the—air quotes—other side. I hear that they are the great equalizing institution: traditional K–12 public schools.</p>
<p data-start="30738" data-end="31665"><strong data-start="30738" data-end="30762">Robert Enlow (26:13)</strong><br data-start="30762" data-end="30765" />Okay, if that were the case—if that were the case—why is the data extremely clear in voucher programs and choice programs that the civic values of kids in choice programs who attend private schools are far greater than the civic values and virtues of those who attend traditional public schools? I say this all the time: if you go to the GLSEN survey—the Gay, Lesbian &amp; Straight Education Network survey of kids and their issues in dealing with being gay—Which school system is the worst on gay kids? They get dead. Based on the data that they bring out, public schools have significantly higher rates of abuse of gay kids. Right? How tolerant is that? Now, what ends up happening is they hear about it more in religious schools—they hear about being gay—but they&#8217;re not bullied. So you actually ask yourself this question: Do you want your gay kid bullied, or do you want them to hear about it more?</p>
<p data-start="31667" data-end="31759"><strong data-start="31667" data-end="31696">Susan Pendergrass (26:42)</strong><br data-start="31696" data-end="31699" />I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re going to say traditional public schools.</p>
<p data-start="31761" data-end="32975"><strong data-start="31761" data-end="31785">Robert Enlow (27:06)</strong><br data-start="31785" data-end="31788" />These are legitimate questions to ask. And by the way, we&#8217;re not doing well with this at all in any school system. But this idea of civic virtue coming from a homogenized institution strikes me as naive at best—particularly since, if you think those schools don&#8217;t teach values, you&#8217;re wrong. They absolutely teach values. And then they teach values based on their school assignment, which is based on where they live. And if you don&#8217;t think neighborhoods produce value and values, then you&#8217;re wrong. Anyone who knows me knows that I rail against suburbia all the time—it&#8217;s just part of who I am. Gated, segregated communities really bother me. It bothers me. These ideas of living in enclaves piss me off, because I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what America is supposed to be about. But that ends up what&#8217;s happening in schooling, right? And what private schooling and choice does is it breaks that apart. How are you getting more civic tolerance—how are you getting more integration—in private schooling than you are in public schools? Whenever I hear, “Public schools are the center and locus of our community shared experience,” I actually cringe and start worrying about what they&#8217;re teaching.</p>
<p data-start="32977" data-end="33831"><strong data-start="32977" data-end="33006">Susan Pendergrass (28:13)</strong><br data-start="33006" data-end="33009" />Yeah, I also saw a comment the other day on a Signal chat I&#8217;m on that charter schools are part of the right-wing conservative agenda to kill public education, which just makes me crazy, because charter schools by and large serve poor kids of color, and there&#8217;s nothing to do with the—there&#8217;s no right-wing conservative agenda there. And I know a lot of parents who would very much disagree with that. But that is the perception that&#8217;s out there—that you guys, with your school choice and your vouchers—and I know that you guys did a whole market test on the word “voucher,” which I think is brilliant, because no matter what the program is, folks on the left call it a voucher scheme. There&#8217;s a “scheme,” and that it&#8217;s killing public education, and then we won&#8217;t have a civic-minded, you know, equal electorate, basically.</p>
<p data-start="33833" data-end="34603"><strong data-start="33833" data-end="33857">Robert Enlow (28:39)</strong><br data-start="33857" data-end="33860" />Yep. Can we start to redefine—and I have to redefine—look, I am a huge believer in public education. I want an educated public. I want kids to be educated. I want those—because I think society is benefited. That is a very different thing from running a system of common schools that was built off the backs of a potentially bigoted idea in the 1840s, right? I think there&#8217;s a different conversation. I think government-run, district-run schools, while a reality, are different than public education. Kids are educated to the public interest if they go to a school or learning environment where they get educated. And so that&#8217;s why Milton Friedman&#8217;s original idea—separate the public financing of education from the government running a school.</p>
<p data-start="34605" data-end="35119"><strong data-start="34605" data-end="34634">Susan Pendergrass (29:47)</strong><br data-start="34634" data-end="34637" />Well, it&#8217;s a brilliant idea, and I appreciate you coming to argue with me about it. That&#8217;s great. I could go on, but I&#8217;m going to let it go at that. I appreciate that you guys—I didn&#8217;t really get into it—but that you&#8217;re an intervenor in the Missouri case. Clearly you believe that more Missouri families should have access to this. The parents who are the defendants basically have a sibling that they would like to join the program that one of their kids is in. And I suspect that—</p>
<p data-start="35121" data-end="35255"><strong data-start="35121" data-end="35145">Robert Enlow (29:51)</strong><br data-start="35145" data-end="35148" />I love arguing with you. You&#8217;re one of my dearest, oldest friends. There&#8217;s very few people like you, right?</p>
<p data-start="35257" data-end="35398"><strong data-start="35257" data-end="35286">Susan Pendergrass (30:17)</strong><br data-start="35286" data-end="35289" />I think we&#8217;re going to be successful. We had one successful ruling so far where the program gets to continue.</p>
<p data-start="35400" data-end="35957"><strong data-start="35400" data-end="35424">Robert Enlow (30:22)</strong><br data-start="35424" data-end="35427" />Yeah, we&#8217;re the intervenors. Choice Legal Advocates is the intervenor in Missouri National Education Association et al. versus State of Missouri. So we are intervening on behalf of parents. Currently, the district court denied a temporary injunction, so they allowed the program to continue. We&#8217;re excited by that. We&#8217;re strongly positive that we think it&#8217;s a good sign for us and that we should end up on the right side of this. You know, I&#8217;m just shocked that the unions continue to be on the wrong side of parents all the time.</p>
<p data-start="35959" data-end="36102"><strong data-start="35959" data-end="35988">Susan Pendergrass (30:49)</strong><br data-start="35988" data-end="35991" />They sure do. All right. Well, I appreciate it, and I appreciate you taking the time to join us on the podcast.</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://www.edchoice.org/team-member/martin-lueken/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Marty Lueken</a></span>, director of EdChoice’s Fiscal Research and Education Center, about the <span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://www.edchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Fiscal-Factbook-2025.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><em>2025 Fiscal Fact Book</em></a></span>. They discuss how much is really spent per student, where the money comes from, why staffing has grown even as enrollment has declined, the fiscal impact of school choice programs, and more.</p>
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<p>00:00 Understanding School Funding in the U.S.<br />
10:03 The Impact of School Choice Programs<br />
20:30 Challenges and Misconceptions in School Funding</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with <strong><span style="color: #0000ff;"><a style="color: #0000ff;" href="https://www.federationforchildren.org/staff/shaka-mitchell/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Shaka Mitchell,</a></span></strong> senior fellow at the American Federation for Children, about how a new federal scholarship tax credit, created through the One Big Beautiful Bill, could transform K–12 education across the country. They discuss what this means for Missouri families, the legal threats facing the MOScholars program, how education policy is shifting nationally, and more.</p>
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<p>00:00 The Evolution of School Choice in Missouri<br />
02:59 Charter Schools and Teacher Innovation<br />
05:40 The Impact of Lawsuits on Educational Freedom<br />
08:35 Federal Tax Credit Programs and Their Implications<br />
11:19 The Future of School Choice and Parental Empowerment</p>
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<p data-start="76" data-end="600"><strong data-start="76" data-end="106">Susan Pendergrass (00:00):</strong><br data-start="106" data-end="109" />Thank you so much for joining us on the Show-Me Institute podcast, Shaka Mitchell of AFC. But I think you wear a lot of hats. We&#8217;ll just do that hat for now. There have been a lot of changes in the last few years—certainly since the pandemic—regarding how kids end up at the school they attend, especially with parents now getting more opportunities to choose instead of just being assigned. I know you’ve been on the front lines of this, especially through your work with charter schools.</p>
<p data-start="602" data-end="913">In Missouri, we’re sort of creeping into it. We have a scholarship program now that’s growing, and finally, like in so many other states, the legislature has decided to put some public funding toward it. And now it&#8217;s tied up with a lawsuit. Are you following what’s going on with Missouri’s scholarship program?</p>
<p data-start="915" data-end="1304"><strong data-start="915" data-end="942">Shaka Mitchell (00:45):</strong><br data-start="942" data-end="945" />Yeah, thanks Susan. Thanks for having me on. I sure am following it. I’ve been encouraged in recent years by the steps Missouri has taken to expand school choice. As you know, there had been a charter school law for years, but it was really limited—to Kansas City and St. Louis. That’s a lot of students, but still many others couldn’t access those schools.</p>
<p data-start="1306" data-end="1588">Then you had the MOScholars program, which I bet we’ll talk about. On the one hand, there are some encouraging developments coming out of Missouri. And then, per usual, there are lawsuits. Because, in the words of the famous 20th-century philosopher Taylor Swift, haters gonna hate.</p>
<p data-start="1590" data-end="1638"><strong data-start="1590" data-end="1620">Susan Pendergrass (01:30):</strong><br data-start="1620" data-end="1623" />That’s right.</p>
<p data-start="1640" data-end="1975">Let’s go back to this charter school thing for a minute. Now, for the first time, a charter school can open anywhere in the state—but only if the school board is the sponsor. That happens all over the country, but in Missouri, no school board would even consider authorizing a charter school. Not running them, just authorizing them.</p>
<p data-start="1977" data-end="2164">Now there’s one other county where they can open without the board as the sponsor. But there is such strong resistance to the idea of charter schools. Do you find that surprising in 2025?</p>
<p data-start="2166" data-end="2435"><strong data-start="2166" data-end="2193">Shaka Mitchell (02:06):</strong><br data-start="2193" data-end="2196" />Yes and no. I’ve worked in charter schools and with several charter networks. I have lots of friends still working in that space. At the American Federation for Children, we’re school-type agnostic. We support parents&#8217; ability to choose.</p>
<p data-start="2437" data-end="2719">In some ways, it’s not surprising that school districts—which have in many places become jobs programs for adults—don’t want to disrupt the status quo. Budgets continue to increase, while enrollments decrease. So they’ve got fewer students per classroom, but more money per pupil.</p>
<p data-start="2721" data-end="2929">They’ve got it pretty good in terms of job security. But I think what you’re getting at is important: there are great educators who want to do right by kids. And many of them are trapped within that system.</p>
<p data-start="2931" data-end="3180">We’re seeing some start their own schools or move to other states or online programs. There’s a lot of innovation happening. But unfortunately, you mostly see the negative reaction from public school districts when it comes to innovation and choice.</p>
<p data-start="3182" data-end="3579"><strong data-start="3182" data-end="3212">Susan Pendergrass (03:42):</strong><br data-start="3212" data-end="3215" />Yes, and what’s so tragic in Missouri is that we’ve shut the door on teachers as entrepreneurs. We have plenty of entrepreneurial teachers. Some of the strongest charter school networks were started by teachers who said, “I have a great idea, and I need to do this outside the regulations and bureaucracy.” Cutting off the teacher-as-entrepreneur option is tragic.</p>
<p data-start="3581" data-end="3740"><strong data-start="3581" data-end="3608">Shaka Mitchell (04:10):</strong><br data-start="3608" data-end="3611" />Yeah, super tragic. One of my colleagues, Dr. Patrick Graff at AFC, has done work on teacher spending accounts—similar to ESAs.</p>
<p data-start="3742" data-end="3911">It’s a great idea. Teachers often say their classrooms are under-resourced. Every parent knows it&#8217;s almost back-to-school season—we’re about to get a list of supplies.</p>
<p data-start="3913" data-end="4133">Every time I get that list, I think, “Why haven’t we budgeted for enough glue or crayons?” Patrick’s idea is that teachers should have accounts to buy what they need. Surprise: teachers love it, and legislators do too.</p>
<p data-start="4135" data-end="4294">But when you say, “Cool, it works for teachers—now let’s do it for parents,” suddenly it’s hair-on-fire. The education establishment just says no. It’s unfair.</p>
<p data-start="4296" data-end="4627"><strong data-start="4296" data-end="4326">Susan Pendergrass (05:19):</strong><br data-start="4326" data-end="4329" />Yeah. Public funding for MOScholars in Missouri currently serves mostly low-income students and students with disabilities in Kansas City and St. Louis. That’s where the program started. It’s expanded a bit—but only through tax-credit fundraising, and the organizations have to ask for donations.</p>
<p data-start="4629" data-end="4848">Now the lawsuit is basically saying those kids have to go back to their old schools. That we can’t publicly fund private schools for students. It’s saying, “You have to go back to the school that didn’t work for you.”</p>
<p data-start="4850" data-end="5064">I know the teachers’ unions brought the lawsuit, and they often take on the PR risk of being on the wrong side of things—like trying to take scholarships away from kids. I don’t see how they can sit well with that.</p>
<p data-start="5066" data-end="5278"><strong data-start="5066" data-end="5093">Shaka Mitchell (06:20):</strong><br data-start="5093" data-end="5096" />Yeah. I had the great fortune of meeting a parent in Missouri, Becky Ucello. Her daughter was able to attend a private school through the program. Becky is a public school teacher.</p>
<p data-start="5280" data-end="5538">So the idea that private choice programs are anti–public school is a myth. Of course she wants the best for her students—and her own daughter, who has exceptional needs. The district school wasn’t working. Who among us wouldn’t want the best for our child?</p>
<p data-start="5540" data-end="5881">The unions get this wrong every time. And they usually get defeated in court. I expect the same in Missouri. There’s strong federal and state case law supporting the idea that parents can choose and that funds given out in a non-discriminatory way can be used at religious schools—because the parent is making the choice, not the government.</p>
<p data-start="5883" data-end="6097"><strong data-start="5883" data-end="5913">Susan Pendergrass (07:47):</strong><br data-start="5913" data-end="5916" />In addition to the lawsuit, there’s a potential initiative petition in Missouri to amend the constitution to say you can’t spend public funds at private institutions for students.</p>
<p data-start="6099" data-end="6300">But we already have several higher ed programs that work like Pell Grants—you can take them to public or private colleges. We have Bright Flight. This petition might even cut off those programs, too.</p>
<p data-start="6302" data-end="6448">And even when open enrollment comes up, it’s often the lowest-performing districts that say, “We can’t be part of it—we can’t let our kids leave.”</p>
<p data-start="6450" data-end="6649"><strong data-start="6450" data-end="6477">Shaka Mitchell (08:41):</strong><br data-start="6477" data-end="6480" />It’s totally short-sighted. Nearly every district already outsources some of their special needs education to private providers. That petition could cut off even that.</p>
<p data-start="6651" data-end="6859">It’s absurd. Districts don’t make their own computers, books, or desks. They purchase from private companies all the time. The idea that public education is this sacred, fully public institution is a fiction.</p>
<p data-start="6861" data-end="7057"><strong data-start="6861" data-end="6891">Susan Pendergrass (09:33):</strong><br data-start="6891" data-end="6894" />Cisco trucks are in every school. Pearson brings the textbooks. Public education is filled with private corporations. And we’ve made so much progress nationally.</p>
<p data-start="7059" data-end="7203">I’d love for you to explain the potential for federal scholarship expansion through tax credits. What is that new program, and how will it work?</p>
<p data-start="7205" data-end="7384"><strong data-start="7205" data-end="7232">Shaka Mitchell (10:09):</strong><br data-start="7232" data-end="7235" />Sure. The federal scholarship tax credit passed as part of the One Big Bill earlier this year. It’s the first-ever federal K-12 tax credit program.</p>
<p data-start="7386" data-end="7519">First, it’s a <em data-start="7400" data-end="7405">tax</em> program—not from the Department of Education. So it’s not adding to federal bloat or undermining local control.</p>
<p data-start="7521" data-end="7769">Any federal taxpayer can direct up to $1,700 of their tax liability to a scholarship granting organization—like the ones already in Missouri. So instead of sending it to the IRS, I could say, “Let’s send this to a scholarship org in Kansas City.”</p>
<p data-start="7771" data-end="7972">Then, the organization can award scholarships to families, most of whom will qualify based on income. The families can use them for a range of educational expenses—just like ESAs. It’s really exciting.</p>
<p data-start="7974" data-end="8084"><strong data-start="7974" data-end="8004">Susan Pendergrass (12:09):</strong><br data-start="8004" data-end="8007" />I’ve heard opponents call it a federal voucher—but it’s not a voucher, right?</p>
<p data-start="8086" data-end="8270"><strong data-start="8086" data-end="8113">Shaka Mitchell (12:18):</strong><br data-start="8113" data-end="8116" />Correct. Think of it like when your tax return asks if you want to give a dollar to the presidential campaign. But now it’s $1,700 to a scholarship org.</p>
<p data-start="8272" data-end="8392">In Missouri, we have Catholic, Hebrew, and non-sectarian scholarship organizations. You can choose which one to support.</p>
<p data-start="8394" data-end="8481"><strong data-start="8394" data-end="8424">Susan Pendergrass (12:59):</strong><br data-start="8424" data-end="8427" />Do you know the total amount of available tax credits?</p>
<p data-start="8483" data-end="8675"><strong data-start="8483" data-end="8510">Shaka Mitchell (13:06):</strong><br data-start="8510" data-end="8513" />It’s unlimited, within that $1,700 per-taxpayer cap. Initially, there were discussions of state-by-state limits, but now the limit is per individual—not by state.</p>
<p data-start="8677" data-end="8745"><strong data-start="8677" data-end="8707">Susan Pendergrass (13:34):</strong><br data-start="8707" data-end="8710" />So governors have to opt in, right?</p>
<p data-start="8747" data-end="8949"><strong data-start="8747" data-end="8774">Shaka Mitchell (14:10):</strong><br data-start="8774" data-end="8777" />Yes. Governors or other state officials need to opt in. That may look different state to state. Some legislatures, like North Carolina’s, have already voted to participate.</p>
<p data-start="8951" data-end="9010"><strong data-start="8951" data-end="8981">Susan Pendergrass (14:45):</strong><br data-start="8981" data-end="8984" />Where does Missouri stand?</p>
<p data-start="9012" data-end="9247"><strong data-start="9012" data-end="9039">Shaka Mitchell (14:59):</strong><br data-start="9039" data-end="9042" />Probably not much discussion yet. It doesn’t go into effect until 2027, so there’s time. But Missouri is in a good spot—you’ve already got scholarship organizations and experience with tax credit programs.</p>
<p data-start="9249" data-end="9331"><strong data-start="9249" data-end="9279">Susan Pendergrass (15:20):</strong><br data-start="9279" data-end="9282" />What about blue states like Oregon or California?</p>
<p data-start="9333" data-end="9480"><strong data-start="9333" data-end="9360">Shaka Mitchell (15:27):</strong><br data-start="9360" data-end="9363" />Great question. All eyes are on states like California, Pennsylvania, New York. There are a lot of taxpayers there.</p>
<p data-start="9482" data-end="9666">Imagine millions of California taxpayers sending $1,700 each to scholarships in Missouri. It would be crazy for a governor to allow that much money to leave their state. But we’ll see.</p>
<p data-start="9668" data-end="9740"><strong data-start="9668" data-end="9698">Susan Pendergrass (16:13):</strong><br data-start="9698" data-end="9701" />What do you think those states will do?</p>
<p data-start="9742" data-end="9930"><strong data-start="9742" data-end="9769">Shaka Mitchell (16:25):</strong><br data-start="9769" data-end="9772" />Hard to say, but some Democratic governors have said they’re researching it. It’s not really a partisan issue—it’s just the tax code. And everyone pays taxes.</p>
<p data-start="9932" data-end="10030"><strong data-start="9932" data-end="9962">Susan Pendergrass (16:55):</strong><br data-start="9962" data-end="9965" />It’s an interesting political move—making school choice national.</p>
<p data-start="10032" data-end="10158"><strong data-start="10032" data-end="10059">Shaka Mitchell (16:59):</strong><br data-start="10059" data-end="10062" />Exactly. And because it’s tax-based, it reaches everyone—Republican, Democrat, or Independent.</p>
<p data-start="10160" data-end="10247">Are states really going to let billions in scholarships go to other states? I doubt it.</p>
<p data-start="10249" data-end="10538"><strong data-start="10249" data-end="10279">Susan Pendergrass (17:45):</strong><br data-start="10279" data-end="10282" />It’ll be interesting to see how private school supply responds. Like in Arizona, where more parents have access, vendors have stepped in with customized, creative options. This could fuel huge innovation. The fact that it’s unlimited in size is surprising.</p>
<p data-start="10540" data-end="10641"><strong data-start="10540" data-end="10567">Shaka Mitchell (18:43):</strong><br data-start="10567" data-end="10570" />Yes. These federal scholarships could stack on top of state programs.</p>
<p data-start="10643" data-end="10754">Say your state gives $6,000, but tuition is $9,000. The federal credit could close that gap. That’s a big deal.</p>
<p data-start="10756" data-end="10813"><strong data-start="10756" data-end="10786">Susan Pendergrass (19:38):</strong><br data-start="10786" data-end="10789" />Will there be a lawsuit?</p>
<p data-start="10815" data-end="11007"><strong data-start="10815" data-end="10842">Shaka Mitchell (19:39):</strong><br data-start="10842" data-end="10845" />There probably will be. Lawsuits are easy to file. But this program is part of the tax code—it’s hard to challenge. It’s not clear who would even have standing.</p>
<p data-start="11009" data-end="11067">If unions want to burn money on a lawsuit, I say go ahead.</p>
<p data-start="11069" data-end="11206"><strong data-start="11069" data-end="11099">Susan Pendergrass (20:27):</strong><br data-start="11099" data-end="11102" />I think what works against them is how happy families are with these scholarships. Satisfaction is high.</p>
<p data-start="11208" data-end="11302"><strong data-start="11208" data-end="11235">Shaka Mitchell (20:53):</strong><br data-start="11235" data-end="11238" />Yes. Since 2019, we’ve seen an explosion of education freedom.</p>
<p data-start="11304" data-end="11478">And there’s now long-term data—like from Ohio—showing EdChoice students, especially Black and brown students, have higher college attainment. That kind of data is compelling.</p>
<p data-start="11480" data-end="11652"><strong data-start="11480" data-end="11510">Susan Pendergrass (21:59):</strong><br data-start="11510" data-end="11513" />And the ROI is incredible. You keep one kid out of prison or help one finish college—you’ve already saved more than the scholarship cost.</p>
<p data-start="11654" data-end="11818">These families take $6,000 when the public system spends $18,000. They make it work. I’ve never seen anything in traditional public education with this much impact.</p>
<p data-start="11820" data-end="11933"><strong data-start="11820" data-end="11847">Shaka Mitchell (23:10):</strong><br data-start="11847" data-end="11850" />It reminds me of the early 2000s with the excitement around No Child Left Behind.</p>
<p data-start="11935" data-end="12127">But this is even more grassroots. Parents are organizing—helping each other on Facebook, answering questions, forming communities. That’s powerful. You can’t put that genie back in the bottle.</p>
<p data-start="12129" data-end="12332"><strong data-start="12129" data-end="12159">Susan Pendergrass (24:34):</strong><br data-start="12159" data-end="12162" />Right. I don’t think we’ll go from more choice to less. And I know people who considered moving to Missouri until they realized they couldn’t pick their child’s school.</p>
<p data-start="12334" data-end="12414">Kids from these programs are having their own kids now. It’s not going backward.</p>
<p data-start="12416" data-end="12456"><strong data-start="12416" data-end="12443">Shaka Mitchell (24:40):</strong><br data-start="12443" data-end="12446" />Exactly.</p>
<p data-start="12458" data-end="12575">There was a great article today in the New York Times saying, “The monopoly is dead.” I mean—from the New York Times!</p>
<p data-start="12577" data-end="12672"><strong data-start="12577" data-end="12607">Susan Pendergrass (25:21):</strong><br data-start="12607" data-end="12610" />That’s what these lawsuits feel like: a desperate last gasp.</p>
<p data-start="12674" data-end="12821">Never underestimate parents. They’ll show up. Thank you so much for joining us today. That was fascinating. I know you’ll be following the lawsuit.</p>
<p data-start="12823" data-end="12897"><strong data-start="12823" data-end="12850">Shaka Mitchell (25:59):</strong><br data-start="12850" data-end="12853" />Happy to do it. Thanks for having me, Susan.</p>
<p data-start="12899" data-end="12946"><strong data-start="12899" data-end="12929">Susan Pendergrass (26:01):</strong><br data-start="12929" data-end="12932" />Great, thanks.</p>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/our-team/benjamin-scafidi-ph-d-senior-fellow/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ben Scafidi,</a> professor of economics and director of the Education Economics Center at Kennesaw State University. He is also a Friedman fellow with EdChoice and the Georgia Public Policy Foundation. They discuss the financial implications of<a href="https://www.edchoice.org/research-library/?report=the-enrollment-decline-windfall#report" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> declining enrollment in public schools,</a> highlighting how districts with fewer students often experience increased funding per student. Scafidi explains the paradox of declining enrollment leading to financial windfalls for these districts, allowing them to pay teachers more and increase staffing levels. The conversation also touches on the need for a shift in mindset regarding school funding and the importance of adapting to demographic changes in education policy.</p>
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		<title>Will Missouri Follow Tennessee’s Example?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2025 00:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every year, the Super Bowl reminds Titans fans like me of how they came up <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx0tlnRXa-0">one yard short</a> in Super Bowl 34 against the Rams. Granted, I was only four months old at the time, but it is nevertheless a somber (or cheerful for many Missourians) reminder of how Tennessee failed to get across the finish line.</p>
<p>In the political realm, Tennessee has a strong track record of crossing the finish line, such as reducing the individual <a href="https://redstate.com/redstate-guest-editorial/2024/06/24/turning-dreams-of-growth-into-reality-n2175843">income tax to zero</a>. Now, the state is adding to its policy trophy case with a new statewide school voucher program that will open doors for students across the Volunteer State.</p>
<p>Under the <a href="https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/31/tennessee-school-voucher-bill-what-to-know/78063867007/">Education Freedom Act of 2025</a>, Tennessee will offer 20,000 vouchers worth $7,296 each in taxpayer funds to help students statewide attend state-accredited private schools. The vouchers are first reserved for families with incomes 300% below the income limit to qualify for free or reduced-price lunch. The remaining scholarships have no income restrictions. This is a major step forward in expanding educational choice for Tennessee families.</p>
<p>Families (and even individual children within a family) have different needs. Education options should reflect that reality, and private schools are not a feasible choice for many families without financial assistance. EdChoice recently released a 2024 survey comparing <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/2024-Schooling-in-America.pdf">educational preferences</a> to actual enrollment numbers.</p>
<p>In Figure 1, parents were asked where their children are currently enrolled (the bottom bar), and then <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Questionnaire-Toplines.pdf">were asked</a> where they would enroll them if they could select any type of school (the top bar).</p>
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<p>Missouri’s <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/publication/education/missouri-condition-of-education-2024/">actual enrollment numbers</a> are nearly identical to actual percentages shown in Figure 1. But what is Missouri doing to allow families to meet their preferences? Tennessee saw what families wanted and took action; Missouri should follow this formula.</p>
<p>Governor Lee of Tennessee, much like Governor Kehoe in his <a href="https://governor.mo.gov/press-releases/archive/securing-missouris-future-governor-kehoe-delivers-first-state-state-address">recent address</a>, placed a <a href="https://nashvillebanner.com/2025/01/31/tennessee-school-voucher-bill/">high priority</a> on school choice reform. And much like Missouri, Tennessee faced <a href="https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/31/tennessee-school-voucher-bill-what-to-know/78063867007/">strong opposition</a> to breaking up the status quo—but leaders remained determined and got it done.</p>
<p>Missouri has come up short in many instances. Charter schools exist in our state, but are <a href="https://www.showmeinstitute.org/publication/education/model-policy-expanding-charter-schools-throughout-missouri/">extremely limited</a>. Our own ESA program helps some families, but lacks <a href="https://www.showmeinstitute.org/publication/education/model-policy-improving-the-moscholars-program/">necessary public funding</a>. Open enrollment has made it through the House <a href="https://legiscan.com/MO/bill/HB543/2021">four years in a row</a> only to stall in the Senate.</p>
<p>If Missouri wants to build momentum and deliver education reform, determination will be key. The plays are drawn up, the end zone is in sight—we just have to get across the goal line.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2024 03:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Susan Pendergrass speaks with <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/engage/author/martinlueken/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Martin F. Lueken,</a> director of the Fiscal Research and Education Center at EdChoice, about the findings of his report Fiscal Effects of School Choice: The Costs and Savings of Private School Choice Programs in America through FY 2022.</p>
<p>Marty shares insights into how school choice programs have financially impacted state and local budgets across the United States. He explains the methods used to estimate both short- and long-run savings from these programs and discusses the disparities in per-student funding between public and choice program students. Lueken also addresses the funding context and long-term fiscal implications of choice programs for K–12 education systems, shedding light on common misconceptions and more.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://www.edchoice.org/engage/the-fiscal-effects-of-school-choice/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Read the full report here.</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2024 22:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>In this episode, James V. Shuls speaks with <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/our-team/michael-mcshane/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Michael Q. McShane,</a> Director of National Research at EdChoice and Senior Fellow of Education Policy at the Show-Me Institute, about his latest paper, &#8216;Why Markets Matter in Education.&#8217; They explore the growing role of market forces in education, the benefits of choice and competition for schools and students, the impact of educational marketplaces on innovation and quality, the challenges of government intervention in schooling, and the long-term advantages of allowing parents to shape their children&#8217;s educational journeys.</p>
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<p><span class="yt-core-attributed-string yt-core-attributed-string--white-space-pre-wrap"><span class="yt-core-attributed-string--link-inherit-color">On May 8, 2024, Show-Me Institute hosted a virtual event where <strong>EdChoice’s <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/our-team/martin-lueken/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Marty Lueken</a> </strong>and <strong>Reason Foundation’s <a href="https://reason.org/author/christian-barnard/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Christian Barnard</a></strong> discussed and demoed their K-12 School Choice Calculator.</span></span></p>
<p><span class="yt-core-attributed-string yt-core-attributed-string--white-space-pre-wrap"><span class="yt-core-attributed-string--link-inherit-color">The calculator was built to provide legislators, legislative staff, and stakeholders with an easy way to learn about the potential fiscal effects of funding educational opportunities in their state. </span></span></p>
<p><span class="yt-core-attributed-string yt-core-attributed-string--white-space-pre-wrap"><span class="yt-core-attributed-string--link-inherit-color">You can access the K-12 School Choice Calculator here: </span><span class="yt-core-attributed-string--link-inherit-color"><a class="yt-core-attributed-string__link yt-core-attributed-string__link--display-type yt-core-attributed-string__link--call-to-action-color" tabindex="0" href="https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqbTdOQXUyWHZ2Qy1sU2E2N2ZfWXQyNXRXazV4QXxBQ3Jtc0ttMzRaZEROQ3NRVVFHQVJlRmVJQUxaSVdka2g2bUZHQVhmZ1RhRkZGbHFNb1IwX3lybHdick16LVVBQW9rZnJ4bV9kXzVtRnB3MnlCV1FwRVFKeFZkajBER28wdHF6QWljOFhaTUhqMlI2SVVXYkU3QQ&amp;q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.schoolchoicecalculator.com%2F&amp;v=uFdfMXEY9Mg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.schoolchoicecalculator.com/</a></span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2023 22:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><span class="yt-core-attributed-string yt-core-attributed-string--white-space-pre-wrap">On April 26, 2023, the Show-Me Institute, in partnership with <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">EdChoice</a> and Show-Me Opportunity, hosted a virtual event featuring EdChoice’s Marty Lueken, Director of Fiscal Research &amp; Education Center, and Mike McShane, Director of National Research, join Show-Me Institute’s Director of Education Research, Susan Pendergrass. Mike and Marty discussed their recently published report titled <a href="https://manhattan.institute/article/k-12-without-borders-public-school-students-families-and-teachers-shut-in-by-education-boundaries" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><em>K-12 Without Borders: Public School Students, Families, and Teachers Shut in by Education Boundaries</em></a>, which examines what a K-12 education system with fewer school district borders would mean for students, teachers, and taxpayers. </span></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2022 20:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>By now, we have all seen that wonderful photo of the young child sitting in the backseat of her parents’ car. You know, the one where the adorable blonde with buck teeth gives her mother the side eye. The meme has been shared countless times via social media. It also happens to exemplify the exact feeling I had upon reviewing the Heritage Foundation’s recently released <a href="https://www.heritage.org/educationreportcard/">Education Freedom Report Card</a>.</p>
<p>The report ranked Missouri 17th overall in terms of education freedom. This ranking includes measures on “transparency,” “regulatory freedom,” and “spending.” But it was the ranking on “school choice” that stood out the most. The Heritage Foundation ranked Missouri 4th in the country in terms of having the best school choice environment. This ranking included considerations for private school choice, private school choice program design, charter schools, homeschooling, and public school choice.</p>
<p>The reason I was so shocked by this ranking should be obvious to anyone living in the Show-Me State—school choice options are almost nonexistent for anyone living outside of St. Louis or Kansas City.</p>
<p>This is what school choice looks like in Missouri.</p>
<p><u>Charter Schools</u></p>
<p>The <a href="https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d21/tables/dt21_216.90.asp">National Center for Education Statistics</a> (NCES) reported that in Missouri there were 71 total charter schools in 2019—20 (Missouri ranks 27th in the number of charter schools). This accounts for 2.9 percent of total public schools (34th overall). In total, these charter schools served fewer than 25,000 students (28th overall), or 2.7% of all public school students (34th overall).</p>
<p>What the NCES rankings don’t reveal is that all these schools and all these students are in either St. Louis City or Kansas City. Missouri has had charter schools for more than 20 years. The first one ever to open outside of the major cities just <a href="https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/first-charter-school-in-st-louis-county-opens-in-the-normandy-district/article_9b7e220e-fb8f-5caf-84a6-799551d76d30.html">opened this year</a>; the Leadership School opened with 94 students in the Normandy School District, and it faced considerable opposition. As the <a href="https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/first-charter-school-in-st-louis-county-opens-in-the-normandy-district/article_9b7e220e-fb8f-5caf-84a6-799551d76d30.html"><em>St. Louis Post-Dispatch</em></a> reports:</p>
<blockquote><p>Normandy schools have not been fully accredited for the last decade and are under the control of the Missouri Board of Elementary and Secondary Education. In 2021, Normandy students scored lower than any district in the state in English with 14% proficiency and second lowest in math with 5% proficiency.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is what number four looks like?</p>
<p><u>Private School Choice</u></p>
<p>The Missouri Legislature created the <a href="https://www.edchoice.org/school-choice/programs/missouri-empowerment-scholarship-accounts-program/#:~:text=The%20Missouri%20Empowerment%20Scholarship%20Accounts%20Program%20is%20a,tutoring%2C%20educational%20therapies%2C%20individual%20classes%20and%20extracurricular%20programs.">Missouri Empowerment Scholarship Accounts Program</a> in 2021. Students are using the program for the first time this year. EdChoice reports that 51% of families in “applicable Missouri cities and counties” are eligible for the program. While that sounds impressive, it is not. The program is limited to counties eligible for charter schools or cities with more than 30,000 residents. Just as charter schools are out of reach for many in our state, these program restrictions put school choice out of reach for many Missourians. Furthermore, that 51% number includes everyone eligible based on income restrictions without taking into account other factors (200% of the federal free-and-reduced price lunch income level).</p>
<p>Even if you do live in Clay, Jackson, Jefferson, St. Charles, or St. Louis County (the eligible counties), or Columbia, St. Joseph, Joplin, Jefferson City, Cape Girardeau, and the City of St. Louis (the eligible cities) and you meet the income requirements, you still have other hurdles. Your child must meet one of the following criteria to be eligible: have an Individualized Education Program, be entering kindergarten or first grade, or have attended public school the previous year.</p>
<p>At most, based on the number of tax credits available for the program, the scholarship program could serve 3,900 Missouri students.</p>
<p>This is what number four looks like?</p>
<p>We are certainly glad to see the small gains Missouri has made toward greater educational freedom, but the work is not done despite this curious number four ranking.</p>
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		<title>Watch: School Choice Mythbusting</title>
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<p>Have you ever wondered: Do the narratives continually pushed by defenders of the status quo in education actually hold up? Are they fact or just plain fiction? Is the proverbial sky falling in education as opponents would have us believe?</p>
<p>On March 9, 2022 EdChoice’s Jason Bedrick, Director of Policy, and Mike McShane, Director of National Research, joined us for a virtual event to challenge these narratives and share their published papers on two specific topics. Bedrick’s Who’s Afraid of School Choice? follows up on some of the dire predictions that school choice opponents have made over the years and sees how little they match reality. McShane’s The Accountability Myth attacks head-on the argument that public schools are accountable while private schools are not.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Have you ever wondered: Do the narratives continually pushed by defenders of the status quo in education actually hold up? Are they fact or just plain fiction? Is the proverbial sky falling in education as opponents would have us believe?</div>
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<div><strong>Join us on Wednesday, March 9, from 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m. CT</strong> as EdChoice’s Jason Bedrick, Director of Policy, and Mike McShane, Director of National Research, challenge these narratives and share with us their published papers on two specific topics. Bedrick’s Who’s Afraid of School Choice? follows up on some of the dire predictions that school choice opponents have made over the years and sees how little they match reality. McShane’s The Accountability Myth attacks head-on the argument that public schools are accountable while private schools are not.</div>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 03:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Michael Q. McShane, Director of National Research at EdChoice, Susan Pendergrass, Director of Research and Education Policy at Show-Me Institute, and Patricia Levesque, Chief Executive Officer of ExcelinEd discuss the state of accountability in education, why state leadership is critical, and how Missouri and other states can reform their accountability systems.</p>
<h3>Accountabilty Matters</h3>
<p>Missouri schools are failing to teach the core subjects of reading and math and the most recent test scores show that students are falling further behind. Missouri’s Department of Secondary and Elementary (MO DESE) has not offered the level of transparency regarding student performance that is necessary to create an education system focused on higher standards, reducing achievement gaps, and results-based accountability. The status quo is leaving thousands of students behind without the fundamental skills to pursue higher education or compete in the modern labor market. In response to DESE’s failure to perform one of its most basic functions, we launched <a href="https://showmeinstitute.org/blog/education/the-missouri-school-rankings-project/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">The Missouri School Rankings Project</a> and <a href="https://moschoolrankings.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">MoSchoolRankings.org.</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan Pendergrass is joined by Michael Q. McShane to discuss what has gone well and what has gone poorly as schools around the country start the new year.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.edchoice.org/our-team/michael-mcshane/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Dr. Michael Q. McShane</a> is the director of national research at EdChoice and Senior Fellow of Education Policy at the Show-Me Institute.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2021 00:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dust may be finally settling in public education, but not into a familiar pattern. EdChoice—a non-profit based in Indiana—has been conducting monthly polls of parents since last summer to see how they’re feeling about their children’s education. The latest round of responses (<a href="https://edchoice.morningconsultintelligence.com/assets/117985.pdf">April 2021</a>) indicate that parents are beginning to feel much better. Nearly two-thirds are now comfortable with their child returning to school—an 8 percent increase since March. And three-fourths of parents surveyed are planning on getting their child vaccinated against COVID-19.</p>
<p>By the start of the next school year, public education should finally be back to pre-COVID normal, right? Buses will be running and school buildings will be filled with students and teachers from 8 a.m. to 3 pm. Not so fast.</p>
<p>The most interesting (to me) takeaway from the April survey of parents is this. When asked “<strong>After</strong> (emphasis mine) the pandemic, if given the option, to what extent would you prefer schooling to be scheduled each week at home with a parent or tutor to provide the best education for your child?” just 47 percent of public school parents said they would prefer for their children to be educated “Completely outside the home.” Thirteen percent said “Completely at home.” The remaining parents want a combination of days in school and days at home—generally two of one and three of the other. Think about that—almost half of parents surveyed want a new normal.</p>
<p>Last spring, just about every parent with a school-age child was forced to try homeschooling. Clearly, many liked it and would like to continue. But the conundrum to me is what to do with the 4 out of 10 parents who want their kids home <em>some</em> of the time—say a couple of days a week. Should districts just ignore them? Should we assume that when that option goes away, those 20 million or so parents will just give in to reality?</p>
<p>Maybe it’s time to expand the definition of a public school. Could we have rotating in-person and at-home schedules? Could we let teachers form micro-schools with a few families from their school? Could we let the education hubs that have popped up to facilitate public education, like YMCA’s or Boys and Girls Clubs, get fast tracked as charter schools?</p>
<p>One thing I know for sure: The Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education (DESE) is going to distribute state education funding to school districts based on the average daily attendance <em>in their buildings</em> a year or two ago. DESE is essentially going to pretend that it’s 2019 and every school-age child will be in a building full time. Reconsidering the definition of a public school would be a better way to have money follow children to the environment of their choice.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week, the U.S. Census Bureau released the results of its <a href="https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/03/homeschooling-on-the-rise-during-covid-19-pandemic.html">Household Pulse Survey</a>, an effort by the government to understand the impact of the coronavirus on American households. The survey, conducted  periodically since the pandemic started, asks questions about work, school, and a host of other issues.</p>
<p>One of the most interesting questions the Census Bureau asked concerns homeschooling. Surveys from <a href="https://edchoice.morningconsultintelligence.com/">EdChoice</a> and others have found huge bumps in the favorability of homeschooling during the pandemic, but have those opinions translated into parents actually taking the leap and homeschooling their children?</p>
<p>According to the Pulse Survey, yes. Yes they have. When asked in late April and early May of 2020, 5.4 percent of American families responded that they were homeschooling their children. By late September and early October, that number had more than doubled to 11.1 percent. And just to be sure, the Census Bureau made clear in its questioning that “homeschooling” meant homeschooling, not simply students working remotely while still enrolled in their traditional school.</p>
<p>The Census Bureau broke down the findings by state, and in Missouri the percentage of families homeschooling nearly doubled, from 5.9 percent in the spring of 2020 to 10.9 percent in the fall. That means that more than 1 in 10 Missouri school children were homeschooled at that time.</p>
<p>The survey also found fascinating trends related to race, with huge increases in homeschooling from Black families (from 3.3 percent in the spring of 2020 to 16.1 percent in the fall), and Hispanic families as well (from 6.2 percent in the spring of 2020 to 12.1 percent in the fall). In fact, expressed as a percentage of all families, homeschooling is now more popular among Black and Hispanic families than among White families, only 9.7 percent of whom were homeschooling in the fall of 2020.</p>
<p>If these trends hold, they represent a sea change in the educational landscape of Missouri and America writ large. We’ll be watching for later iterations of the survey to see if they do.</p>
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